#222 - David Drebin: "I Sell Feelings for a Living" (The Business Behind $100K Art)

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I'm more interested in sharing with the
world what I've experienced as ~ more

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of a cultural figure than I am with
sharing the world with

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my limited edition artwork.

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We just said a New York City in the
background,

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you all. That is not a one of his awesome
images.

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~ what I love is when I have someone on
and we hit the record button

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and I don't even know how to pronounce the
last name,

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but I bet it's Drebin I hope.

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It is, you're right, it is, it is.

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So what's the ~ I always like to know the
background,

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the heritage, the history of last names.

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What's in that name? I have no

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I

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have no idea. I have no idea. I just ~ ~ ~
I don't really ~ it's probably

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the only good thing my dad ever did for me
is give me a cool last name.

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We could go deep there.

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It's true though, it's actually true,

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but it's okay. It's fine.

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Fine. So what so have you, so I'm forty
seven,

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we don't have to talk ages, but I'm forty
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~ I wonder have you gone through wife
enough?

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I'll give you a nice intro here in a few
minutes,

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but have you gone through a a wife enough
when you say something like that,

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like, hey, it's the only good thing my dad
did?

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There's a ton of context that none of us
know.

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Have you come to terms and are you okay
and settled on what that experience is,

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or are you still processing and learning?

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No, I'm okay with everything. ~ ~ I I
think it's really important to

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be grateful for the hand that you've been
dealt in life and to deal with it,

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whatever that hand is.

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Did you always feel that way, or is this
maturity now?

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Obviously

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the the eight year old version of me and
the fifty six year old version

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of me are very different. ~ ~ when I was
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nine years old, I wanted my my mom to give
me little trucks for my birthday.

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And now I just wish that my mom was alive
for my birthday.

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You know what I mean? So things change and
you grow and you have

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to accept how things change and how you
grow.

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You know what I mean?

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Yeah. What's your ~ what's your personal
philosophy when you when you wake

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up every day? What's your what's your
brain think?

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How does it function? How do you process
everything happening in the world?

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Because what I found is everyone's
personal philosophy is pretty much

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the foundation of how we interact with
everything happening around us.

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If you're nice to me, I'll be nice to you.

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If you're tricky with me, I'll be trickier
with you.

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So I ~ ~ deal with people that way to
figure out who I'm aligned with

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and who I'm not aligned with, and I just
deal with that situation accordingly.

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I ~ ~ think of life like animals,

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wild animals on the Serengeti plains of
Africa.

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We're all just trying to survive out there
and we figure out.

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Who's with us and who's not with us.

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And it's all kind of a big game to me.

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And the world's a stage. And I like to be
entertained.

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And I live for fun. I really live for
creativity and fun and bringing

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out the the the inner child in me and the
inner child in you.

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That's why I love kids, because kids are
so creative.

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And adults often lose their creativity
because they're kind of secretly.

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Living quiet lives of desperation.

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I really believe that. Most people aren't
happy because they're not having fun.

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And I live for fun and I look for fun.

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I'm always looking for fun. You're fun.

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You're not fun yet, but you're gonna be
fun soon.

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Am I not fun yet? How's he I'm gonna give
him his intro now?

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He's gonna say something like that to me.

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I'm giving David his intro. ~ let me give
you this intro and I'm gonna

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you better be thinking about how I'm not
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That's not nice, guys. ~ hey, so today's
guest is David Drebin.

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He's an internationally recognized
photographer and multidisciplinary artist
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work has been exhibited and collected
around the world.

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David graduated from Parsons School of
Design in nineteen ninety-six

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and built his early career shooting
celebrities.

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Major advertising campaigns in some of the
world's biggest brands.

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But he eventually turned that to
commercial success into global fine art
business,

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creating limited edition photography,

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sculptures, neon installations,

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and other works that have sold for as much
as $100,000.

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I guess that's why he can say I'm not fun.

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But what interests me about David is the
business behind the art,

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how you take creative skill, build a
recognizable brand around it,

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create demand, and turn your own work at
work into an asset.

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So

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David, the fun David, welcome to the
necessary entrepreneur.

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Thank you, sir.

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Yes, yes. So I'm not fun. I'm gonna make
you deal with that.

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You

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are I think you are fun, but I think
beyond beneath that fun exterior

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is a very serious, ambitious person.

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And beneath that's more fun. So you're
like a fun,

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serious, fun person.

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I think my nature, ~ it's funny we talked
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bit about the limits we put on ourselves
after we I guess,

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get through adolescence. And if you go
back to that kid,

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~ there's a picture that my significant
other,

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I guess when you don't get married and
you're with somebody for eighteen years,

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we call partner significant others.

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Who knows what the world puts on it?

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But she saw a picture of me one time.

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you know, my mom one she gave me an
envelope.

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With a bunch of pictures as a child.

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I think the older parents get,

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they want to make sure that you have those
things and they don't get lost.

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And there was this picture of me sitting
on a little toy car,

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and I had the most spiky hair ever.

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But I had this smile that was just
awesome.

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And I go back to that kid and say,

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I want to try to live my life every day
the way that that kid lived his life.

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And to your point, it really he was happy.

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He was really fun.

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He saw all opportunity in the world.

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And then we start stacking all these
obligations on us.

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So in my nature, I'm fun, but ~ business
is serious.

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So maybe we'll talk about today on how you
find the fun inside of

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the level of seriousness and business and
growth that you've had.

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So how do you pull that off? If you're a
fun guy,

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how have you found to pull this off over
thirty years?

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It's really simple. It's like it's I like
to simplify ~ complicated concepts.

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And I think the key to life is to make
other people feel great.

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And I live through that idea in my mind
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my goal is to always make people feel
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special, special,

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and seen.

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Has there been times where that's been
lonely?

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No, I don't really get lonely,

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actually. Okay. Maybe in big crowds,

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but because it's an energetic thing,

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but I can't imagine being lonely.

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I can feel alone sometimes, but I love
that feeling of being an entrepreneur.

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I'm in the art business, but I'm an
entrepreneur.

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And I'll tell you one thing I've learned.

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I probably shouldn't say this,

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but when you're really young, you want
people to think you're really smart.

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And I realized nope, I want people to
think I'm not that smart.

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And I'm ~ a little crazy and ~ eccentric
because I'm none of those things.

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But if I can trick you and fool you into
thinking that I'm not that smart

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and you're smarter than me, and I'm crazy
and I'm eccentric,

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then I have you exactly where I want you.

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It's kind of like boxing roll up a dope,

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lure the person in, lure the person in,

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lure the person in, then smash them in the
face and they're like,

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holy shit, I didn't see you coming.

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And that's kind of been my business
philosophy is to be underestimated.

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I love being underestimated and I love
being seemingly a little bit dumb.

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I don't want people to always

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Smart. Were you always comfortable being
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'Cause if I go through back through my
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you had to build the self esteem and the
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to be okay in those moments when you're
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I think when you turn 50, you realize that
no one cares.

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So when you're younger, you think,

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no one cares. And then you get older,

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you go, you what's great? No one cares
because nobody cares.

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People are too busy thinking about
themselves.

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So when I meet people, I turn everything
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I become the mirror, and it's always about
the other person.

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Everything I do is about you, never about
me.

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Yeah. I want

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So it so I

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to show people who they are.

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Yeah. So you answered the question when I
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Then what do people care about?

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You're saying themselves.

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Yes, how you make them feel. It's all p
it's all people care about is

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how you make them feel. Everything's about
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Did you learn that in a class through a
mentor,

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through the experience of life?

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How'd you come to this understanding?

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Called it's called living in New York City
and walking these city,

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busy city streets and what looking a lot
of people in the eye,

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seeing what they're thinking, imagining
what people think about themselves.

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I don't think what people think about me.

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I think about what people think about
themselves.

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People in business, which at the end of
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we're all in sales. I don't want to be a
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but we're all in sales. And what you just
described was when someone comes to me,

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~ I really built the wife that I have now
through real estate and real estate sales

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and all kinds of stuff and

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I've taught these classes and so many
people look at me like I'm crazy at times.

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And they want to know how to become you.

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I bet so many people come to you and ask
you,

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~ they want to be you. And I don't think
they want to be you.

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They want to have they want to have the
outcome,

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right? They want to have the respect.

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They want to live the life. But so often I
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You all, it's antithetical to what you
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I got here by not selling anything to
anyone.

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I got

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I

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never think I never I never think about
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themselves to themselves.

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That's it. That's it. How can they I'm I'm
assuming,

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and I'll have you share this, but how
could they take this image you've created,

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whether it is a could be a sculpture,

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could be an image that you've created,

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could be a painting? I don't know,

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I don't know how much painting you do,

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but you could how could they put this on a
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walking by it every day and maybe having
those quiet moments and it

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be the thing that they look at?

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How can I find the inspiration where I can
improve somebody's life just

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a little bit? I'm assuming.

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Even if you don't wanna be that,

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I think your brain probably has evolved
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I

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love when I have exhibitions all over the
world or do one of the many

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art fairs we do with galleries all over
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I like to stand back and watch people look
at the artworks.

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And nothing makes me feel better than when
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an artwork and say, That's me,

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because the artwork is just a reflection
of themselves.

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Without me being a an art connoisseur,

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I can go through really c we have a good
museum and fine arts ~ city in Cincinnati,

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right? It's not one of the top in the
world,

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but it's pretty good. And I haven't been
someone that really understood.

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It's like I'm coming from a layman's
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I might walk by some blown glass or a
really nice image or some pottery,

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and I'm like, that's really neat.

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But I haven't ever fully embraced the idea
of sitting in front of that

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and finding out what it means to me.

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And I a little bit, I'm

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I'm jealous of that sum.

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Listen,

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listen, what it is, ~ ~ is. It's like
food.

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You know what you like. I don't I don't
want to know how it's made.

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I know I like certain types of food and I
don't like other types of food.

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It's the same with clothing, the same with
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same with design. You like what you like,

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and no one can tell you what you like.

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You should know what you like before
someone else tells you what you like.

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Because so often it's a world of people
who think about what other people think.

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Before they think.

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Yeah. ~ I was just Yeah.

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And I think there's I was pulling up your
website before we jumped on

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and I was looking at your collections.

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And and I was doing that as I was going
through looking at the collections.

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And myself, I was like, I really like
that.

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That kind of speaks to me. I can stay on
the wall.

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And I clicked on another style.

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But then I went to some others.

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I'm like, I really like that. And I
thought too,

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really quick, why do I like it?

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I don't know. I just like it.

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Exactly.

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Hmm. So where did this start from?

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Because I'd love to talk about the
business part of this.

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If so many people look at the success that
David's had and where you're

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at now and the wife you're living in,

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living in the big city.

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Instead of giving people advice,

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where'd this start and what are some of
the critical moments that happened along

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your journey that you really look at and
say,

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those were the moments that were that was
the times when I showed up.

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That was critical.

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Most important moment for me was in
nineteen ninety four when I

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had a roommate living in Vancouver and he
was taking photography classes

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and I thought

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You want to be a photographer?

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You're like a creative artsy person.

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And he came home to the apartment in
Vancouver and he laid out five black

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and white photographs on the floor.

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And I looked at these co-workers of his
that he photographed,

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their souls literally jumped off the page.

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It was like magic to me. And at that very
moment I thought to myself,

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I'm gonna move to New York. I'm gonna
start out as a photographer,

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and that's my dream.

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And I'm gonna make this happen.

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It was a moment I will never forget.

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In 1994, I saw my whole life and career
flash in front of me.

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And I've never ever taken my foot off the
gas since '94.

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Not even for one second. I've never
doubted myself for one second.

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And I think the most important thing is no
matter what the world tells you,

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to have belief in yourself and your dreams
and the plan.

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For your dreams. And it all comes down to
having

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a relentless drive, patience.

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And self belief.

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What's that so why is self belief?

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Why is it so important? 'Cause that was
the one at the end,

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but then you went and self belief.

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Why is that so important?

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I love watching boxers the way they walk
out to the ring,

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the man in the arena, and they're gonna go
through the crowd,

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step into the ring, and either knock
someone

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out or be knocked out. I love that risk.

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But the boxer has such belief in
themselves 'cause they're the man in the
arena.

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I love that concept of the ring walk
stepping through the ropes.

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And thinking that you're either gonna
knock that person out or you're gonna
knock

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that person out. You don't even think
about being knocked out.

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That's why I love boxing.

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What do you think happened before they got
in the ring that helped them create that

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self belief?

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They train for the moment.

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That's the key is to train for the moment.

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The problem nowadays is that people want
fast money because they look

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at social media and they compare
themselves to other people.

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And comparison is the thief of joy.

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And people don't want to do the work and
they want to hit grand slam after grand

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slam. But some of the best baseball
hitters in history hit singles with

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the odd home run. I've hit singles,

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doubles, singles, doubles, the odd triple.

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The odd home run, occasional grand slam.

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But I'm in the business of s hitting
singles.

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And I think a lot of people don't think
that way.

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And I think social media's kind of screw
people up into thinking about fast money.

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And the faster it comes, the faster it
goes.

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What's hitting singles look like in your
world of artistry,

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being an artist, photography, what's that
look like?

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The most important thing for me is I've
never seen myself as a an artist

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or a photographer. I've always thought
that I had these images in my mind that

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I wanted to get them out there into the
world.

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I never labeled myself as anything other
than providing value for other people.

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I knew that I could provide value for
other people

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and show people themselves through art.

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Because art is just a reflection of you.

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So the goal for me every time I make an
artwork is for someone to say,

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my God, that's me. That's the goal.

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The goal for me is that people see
themselves in the art.

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Art is just a mirror.

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As I sit here and think about it,

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if there were an image on a wall,

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something you've created.

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If it's a mirror.

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The metaphor is it means something
different to everyone.

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What does the artist think when that's
happening?

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Is that not on your brain at all?

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You just have the image create it,

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make it, and it is what it is.

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I don't see myself as an artist in any
way.

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I never have. It's for me,

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making art is like making magic.

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And ultimately, my goal in life is to
bring out the magic in other people,

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to stimulate other people's creativity,

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to show people and remind people of the
kid inside that is often buried.

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And art can sometimes make people feel
something that words can't.

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make people feel. They just like what they
like when they see the art,

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whether it's my art, your art,

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someone else's art. It's just a feeling.

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I manufacture feelings. I sell feelings
for a living.

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That's my business. I'm in the business of
feelings and art.

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Making you feel good. I people ask me all
the time,

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so what do you do? Right? What do you do?

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They judge me for what I do. I never say
I'm an artist.

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I always say I'm in the business of making
you feel great.

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Let me try right now. And they're like,

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holy shit, how'd you do that? I'm like,

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because I'm in the business of making you
feel great.

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That's my business. Make people feel
special and seen.

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And seen and special.

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The business of making people feel good.

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How often does someone do that for you?

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Very rarely, actually. And that's okay.

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Very, very, very rarely. Cause I'm
actually in my own imagination.

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I wake up every morning and think to
myself,

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I'm a wild card, but I have a heart of
gold.

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And I kind of like to use that duality of
being a wild card with

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a lot of empathy and compassion.

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So the deal I make with people is I will
have a lot of empathy

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and compassion to you. I don't care if
you've

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any empathy and compassion for me because
I have a lot of empathy

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and compassion for myself. So let me love
you.

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I don't need you to love me. Let me love
you.

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Let me bring out the magic of you.

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I'm good.

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What happens when you do get that
reciprocated once every decade?

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I don't think about once every decade,

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and I don't think about it ever being
reciprocated.

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I'm thinking about how I can make other
people feel great.

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Because I know how to make myself feel
great.

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And a lot of people don't know how to make
themselves feel great.

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~ ~ I make myself feel great through the
food that I eat,

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through what I see, through what I look
like walking through the park,

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feeling the magic of the universe.

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The universe has compassion for me.

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And I have a great relationship with the
universe.

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The universe is my boss and the universe
is my guide.

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And I think it's really important for
people to listen to that quiet voice
inside

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of them. That's the universe speaking to
them to figure out what their goal,

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purpose, and meaning is for the 30,000
days that they're alive.

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If you're lucky, you live 30,000 days.

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That's ~ 80 years. So it's all about
purpose and meaning.

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Stop fucking thinking. Just make shit
happen,

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man.

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There you go, right. So a guy I don't I
don't get big on a lot of these quotes

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and stuff, but there's it's something came
to my head.

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There's a guy named Tom Bilieu.

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He has one of the top podcasts

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I love love I love Give me one second.

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I love I love I love

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And I'm gonna quote so you can probably
hear what I'm saying.

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So he says the only thing that matters,

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and every time I hear something like that,

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when someone says the only, I'm like,

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here be here comes a definitive statement
from a guru guru.

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He said the only thing that matters is how
you feel about yourself when you're

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by yourself.

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Yeah, you know why? You know why?

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Let me tell you why. Because we all have
three faces.

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The face we show the world, the face we
show our friends and family,

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and the face that we don't show anybody.

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And the face that we don't show anybody is
the face that the universe sees.

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And that's the face that you have to
really work on.

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The face that no one sees, that only you
see,

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your reflection in the mirror,

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your competition is you.

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What's that work on look like?

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Because you didn't just wake up and become
this person.

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Through through this this mindset and this
perspective that you have that lets

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you just have total freedom. That's what
this feels like.

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It's like data David has total freedom.

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Total freedom, yes, I do. I do.

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Yep. And so when you say we have to do the
work on us,

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what's that look like without feeling like
we're giving people advice?

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But but to talk about an approach or a
strategy a little bit to help someone
become

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that, if they just don't feel the
experience in life right now that you're
actually

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going through that you've created for
yourself.

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Never distracted by pleasure.

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I put in the work. And I think it's really
important to be repetitive,

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almost boring in the work that you put in
that nobody sees except for

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the face that no one sees. Yourself.

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Putting in the work, being relentless.

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I chase rejection too. I love,

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I love when people reject me because
eventually they come back.

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I love to make people feel smart.

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And then make them feel dumb afterwards
and then hammer them

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for that for underestimating me.

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And I don't mind revealing this to the
world.

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You're smart, you're smart, you're smart,

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I'm dumb. Actually, you're dumb,

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I'm smart, and I'm gonna destroy you right
now.

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If if you have bad behavior, I'm in the
business of bad behavior.

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I expect bad behavior. I do a lot of
policing of bad behavior.

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So if people give me bad behavior,

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I'm like an art policeman. So I just
punish them and in

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only ways that I know, which is that if
you can't convince people,

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confuse them.

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And I can walk away and I can walk away
from everybody too.

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I can walk away from every situation.

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I can walk away from everybody.

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I've experienced the worst thing that
could ever happen to me besides my own
death,

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which is the death of my mother.

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So experiencing that makes me feel like I
can handle anything.

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If I can handle the loss of my mother,

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then nothing can really affect me that
much.

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What's bad behavior look like in in the
art world or what what's that look like?

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And I mean to be drone. Yeah. ~

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I I work in the art business. I've never
tried to be in the art world.

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I'm in my own world. I'm not trying to
enter into anybody's world.

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People enter into my world and I'm gonna
allow you in or not,

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based on your behavior. If you've got good
behavior,

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then you're gonna stay. If you've got bad
behavior,

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then you're out. And I don't really care.

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It's almost like Confucius during the day
battle war,

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and at night I become Buddha. I just let
go.

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It's like, did I try my best?

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All you can do is try your best.

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What's your relationship with being
misunderstood?

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Because I'm gonna go out on a whim here
and I'm gonna make

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a provocative statement that if I was in
the same room as David,

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he might want to throw something at me.

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But I bet you're misunderstood by the
masses,

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but to the folks that truly know you,

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they get both perspectives of Confucius
and Buddha,

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and they understand the true depth of what
they're working with.

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00:25:04,229 --> 00:25:06,260
I bet you're misunderstood very often.

465
00:25:06,924 --> 00:25:09,456
I don't think about being understood or
misunderstood.

466
00:25:09,456 --> 00:25:12,098
Doesn't affect me either way. I don't care
what people think of me.

467
00:25:12,098 --> 00:25:16,621
I care what I think you think of yourself.

468
00:25:16,621 --> 00:25:21,884
And I think everybody listening should
think about what they think about other

469
00:25:21,884 --> 00:25:24,937
people, not what other people think about
them.

470
00:25:24,937 --> 00:25:30,210
Because in your twenties, you really think
that people are thinking about you.

471
00:25:30,210 --> 00:25:35,384
In your forties, you don't really care
what people think of you.

472
00:25:35,958 --> 00:25:41,364
And in your sixties, you realize that no
one ever thought about you anyway.

473
00:25:41,364 --> 00:25:42,925
So who gives a fuck?

474
00:25:44,590 --> 00:25:46,171
Yeah, and if they thought about you to
your point,

475
00:25:46,171 --> 00:25:48,052
if they thought about you, who cares what
the thoughts were?

476
00:25:48,052 --> 00:25:51,314
But isn't it isn't it funny that we're in
this world,

477
00:25:51,314 --> 00:25:53,325
maybe you're totally disconnected from it.

478
00:25:53,325 --> 00:25:58,137
If you if you are, you're at this level of
operation

479
00:25:58,878 --> 00:26:02,560
~ that is freedom, control,

480
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,562
a total positive stoic space.

481
00:26:05,562 --> 00:26:11,555
But we don't we say don't care about what
people think about you,

482
00:26:11,555 --> 00:26:13,466
but then so often you hear people say,

483
00:26:13,686 --> 00:26:14,995
All you have is your reputation.

484
00:26:15,490 --> 00:26:20,619
My reputation is what I think about myself
when nobody's watching.

485
00:26:22,752 --> 00:26:28,826
I know when I shine and I know situations
that don't make me uncomfortable.

486
00:26:28,826 --> 00:26:33,730
And I don't mind being in comfortably
uncomfortable situations,

487
00:26:33,730 --> 00:26:38,832
but I'm very aware of where I shine and
where I don't shine.

488
00:26:38,832 --> 00:26:41,815
And you can't control what people think
about you.

489
00:26:41,815 --> 00:26:46,799
So who cares? Reputation. My reputation is
my own reflection in the mirror.

490
00:26:46,799 --> 00:26:50,061
I really don't care. If anyone actually
knew me,

491
00:26:50,061 --> 00:26:51,362
I'm a very generous person.

492
00:26:51,896 --> 00:26:54,266
Generous spirit, generous financially.

493
00:26:54,266 --> 00:26:57,387
I take all my friends out. I treat
everybody.

494
00:26:57,387 --> 00:26:59,669
I when I go for dinner, I look to pay.

495
00:26:59,669 --> 00:27:02,791
I never look to have someone take me for
dinner.

496
00:27:02,791 --> 00:27:05,332
And oftentimes I look at people and think
to myself,

497
00:27:05,332 --> 00:27:07,303
do you want to take someone for dinner?

498
00:27:07,303 --> 00:27:09,414
Or do you want to be taken for dinner?

499
00:27:09,414 --> 00:27:13,356
Let me take you for dinner. Let me take
you for breakfast.

500
00:27:13,356 --> 00:27:17,117
Let me take you for lunch. And let me talk
about you the entire time.

501
00:27:17,117 --> 00:27:18,658
How's that sound? You like that deal?

502
00:27:19,448 --> 00:27:23,925
I understand from the twenty minutes we
spent together twenty five.

503
00:27:23,925 --> 00:27:27,320
I understand your elite level of success.

504
00:27:28,206 --> 00:27:29,387
Why is that? Thank you.

505
00:27:29,730 --> 00:27:32,594
Yeah, a hundred percent, man. That what
you're doing.

506
00:27:32,620 --> 00:27:34,603
right here? Is it my backdrop I have right
now?

507
00:27:34,603 --> 00:27:38,848
Because let me tell you, I lived in a
shitty New York apartment for 25 years
where

508
00:27:38,848 --> 00:27:41,702
I slugged it out. This is ~ this is only
in the last couple years.

509
00:27:41,902 --> 00:27:44,484
Kudos for that. And I think that ~ no,

510
00:27:44,484 --> 00:27:49,767
but here's here's here's why. You're
talking about something today that

511
00:27:50,008 --> 00:27:53,140
I don't know if it's tough for people to
understand and comprehend,

512
00:27:53,140 --> 00:27:55,331
or they just don't want to believe and
understand.

513
00:27:55,331 --> 00:28:01,195
You're talking about an idea about
operating in a world where everything

514
00:28:01,195 --> 00:28:06,479
you do is about other people. You're
operating at a level that most people
don't

515
00:28:06,479 --> 00:28:09,040
get to, and they could. This isn't
ability.

516
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,392
This is an understanding and an operating.

517
00:28:11,586 --> 00:28:15,897
It's like you're you're dealing with an
upgraded level of operating system that
most

518
00:28:15,897 --> 00:28:17,848
people haven't downloaded into their
brain.

519
00:28:17,848 --> 00:28:21,549
And everything I've built in my life,

520
00:28:21,549 --> 00:28:24,150
everything. I just came out of a of a
meeting.

521
00:28:24,150 --> 00:28:28,211
I have an office building here and I have
a bunch of tenants and a brand new bank.

522
00:28:28,211 --> 00:28:30,092
some people that I know in the banking
business,

523
00:28:30,092 --> 00:28:34,263
they went and found investors and they
acquired a bank and ~ I they they have
their

524
00:28:34,263 --> 00:28:35,834
corporate headquarters in one of my
buildings.

525
00:28:36,290 --> 00:28:37,921
And we opened a retail branch,

526
00:28:37,921 --> 00:28:39,861
their first retail branch in the
Cincinnati,

527
00:28:39,861 --> 00:28:41,712
Ohio, Northern Kentucky area, just opened
today.

528
00:28:41,712 --> 00:28:45,614
And the Chamber of Commerce people are out
there and they're giving their speech.

529
00:28:45,614 --> 00:28:47,525
And I'm at the back of the room just
listening.

530
00:28:47,525 --> 00:28:50,456
But afterwards, I talked to the COO and
the CEO.

531
00:28:50,456 --> 00:28:53,607
And they talked about, hey, thank you.

532
00:28:53,607 --> 00:28:55,238
And hey, we meant to mention everything
you've done.

533
00:28:55,238 --> 00:28:59,740
Say, guys, here's the deal. I'm in a place
where it is my job

534
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:04,252
to create spaces and to give you guys a
platform to go out and crush how

535
00:29:04,252 --> 00:29:05,252
you want to in life.

536
00:29:05,218 --> 00:29:07,359
That's how I get my recognition when I'm
building.

537
00:29:07,359 --> 00:29:09,299
If I do, I just told him this.

538
00:29:09,299 --> 00:29:13,750
If I help you get enough of what you want
and you're starting to live

539
00:29:13,750 --> 00:29:16,141
the life and I'm associated with that in
your brain,

540
00:29:16,141 --> 00:29:17,921
I'm gonna get way more than I ever wanted.

541
00:29:17,921 --> 00:29:20,900
And what she said back to me, she said,

542
00:29:20,900 --> 00:29:22,403
I believe that. I said, You better believe
it,

543
00:29:22,403 --> 00:29:25,454
because whatever you all think that I've
built here and I'm still building,

544
00:29:25,454 --> 00:29:26,884
everything has come from that principle.

545
00:29:26,884 --> 00:29:31,105
Everything. And so I tell people often is,

546
00:29:31,105 --> 00:29:33,006
guys, if you want a great life,

547
00:29:33,006 --> 00:29:34,296
you have to go first.

548
00:29:36,492 --> 00:29:39,595
You can't wait for other people to do all
these things for you.

549
00:29:39,595 --> 00:29:42,948
You have to go first because other people
will give us.

550
00:29:42,948 --> 00:29:44,630
I don't have, we don't have use
reciprocity,

551
00:29:44,630 --> 00:29:46,812
but they feel the desire, the want,

552
00:29:46,812 --> 00:29:50,015
and the need to help us do things if we
help them do and become.

553
00:29:50,015 --> 00:29:52,187
So I'm not saying there's some ulterior
motive,

554
00:29:52,187 --> 00:29:57,663
but what you've talked about today is
master class PhD without sitting

555
00:29:57,663 --> 00:30:01,086
in a classroom on how people to unlock the
life that they want.

556
00:30:02,136 --> 00:30:03,136
That's how you have everything you want.

557
00:30:03,097 --> 00:30:06,512
That's how you're sitting in the apartment
that you have in New York City.

558
00:30:06,512 --> 00:30:09,316
Because all those times you were eating
shit,

559
00:30:09,316 --> 00:30:11,139
living in shitty apartments for all these
years,

560
00:30:11,139 --> 00:30:13,122
you were doing and helping others.

561
00:30:13,774 --> 00:30:16,656
I still need a lot of shit. I think the
key to being an entrepreneur

562
00:30:17,117 --> 00:30:21,640
is the ability to withstand being punched
in the face repeatedly.

563
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:26,634
If you can withstand being punched in the
face repeatedly and love

564
00:30:26,634 --> 00:30:32,649
the battles and love the wars of doing the
right thing while you deal with

565
00:30:32,649 --> 00:30:35,712
a lot of people who do the right thing but
also do the wrong thing,

566
00:30:35,712 --> 00:30:39,204
that's the key. Are you gonna do the right
thing?

567
00:30:39,204 --> 00:30:41,807
I'll treat you like gold. Are you gonna do
the wrong thing?

568
00:30:41,807 --> 00:30:43,488
Okay, well I'm gonna punish you
accordingly.

569
00:30:44,014 --> 00:30:45,014
That's it.

570
00:30:45,526 --> 00:30:47,235
It feels like you have no judgment,

571
00:30:47,235 --> 00:30:48,382
you just have evaluation.

572
00:30:49,314 --> 00:30:53,897
For me, I just look at all people and
think to myself,

573
00:30:53,897 --> 00:30:58,239
what are your intentions? What's important
to you?

574
00:30:58,239 --> 00:31:02,161
And let me watch your behavior over a
sustained period of time.

575
00:31:02,161 --> 00:31:04,362
I'm never gonna listen to what you say.

576
00:31:04,362 --> 00:31:06,464
I'm gonna watch what you do a little bit,

577
00:31:06,464 --> 00:31:10,506
but I pay attention to patterns and then I
make my own judgments.

578
00:31:10,506 --> 00:31:12,947
I only fight with people once I know I'm
right.

579
00:31:12,947 --> 00:31:14,448
I only fight if I know I'm right.

580
00:31:14,448 --> 00:31:17,182
If I think I might be wrong, I never
fight.

581
00:31:17,182 --> 00:31:18,182
I

582
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:21,311
Only fight if I a hundred percent sure
that I'm right.

583
00:31:21,311 --> 00:31:25,953
If I catch you stealing and I see it on
the cameras that you did break into

584
00:31:25,953 --> 00:31:29,534
my place and you did steal my safe or my
watch,

585
00:31:29,534 --> 00:31:32,816
then I'll fight you. I've got cameras in
my mind,

586
00:31:32,816 --> 00:31:39,278
not in my life. And I watch the cameras in
my mind and then I make my decisions.

587
00:31:41,368 --> 00:31:43,394
I'm assuming that situation's happened to
you.

588
00:31:43,394 --> 00:31:45,663
Somebody stole a watching. Yeah.

589
00:31:45,663 --> 00:31:46,663
Yeah.

590
00:31:46,518 --> 00:31:48,068
No, no, no, not really, actually.

591
00:31:48,068 --> 00:31:50,461
That's just a metaphor. You know what I
realized?

592
00:31:50,461 --> 00:31:52,363
And a lot of people have to realize this,

593
00:31:52,363 --> 00:31:54,564
and it's incredible concept. Are you
ready?

594
00:31:54,564 --> 00:31:59,488
Life doesn't just happen to you,

595
00:31:59,488 --> 00:32:02,070
it happens to everybody.

596
00:32:02,546 --> 00:32:07,248
I love this place you're at. ~ as I'm
helping people,

597
00:32:07,248 --> 00:32:10,530
you know, grow and and get to different
places in their life,

598
00:32:10,530 --> 00:32:13,021
~ I look where I came from and trying to
be a I don't try to

599
00:32:13,021 --> 00:32:14,932
be an intentional mentor. If people come
around me though,

600
00:32:14,932 --> 00:32:18,633
I can help impact their life. I'm so often
telling them this is where I go,

601
00:32:18,633 --> 00:32:20,254
when somebody did something to them,

602
00:32:20,254 --> 00:32:23,175
right? I tell like, hey guys, hold on.

603
00:32:23,175 --> 00:32:25,977
Like I'll sit and listen to you and I'll
have empathy for what you're going,

604
00:32:25,977 --> 00:32:27,057
but but I'm just gonna tell you,

605
00:32:27,057 --> 00:32:29,258
they would have done it to anyone else
too.

606
00:32:31,672 --> 00:32:34,164
Don't take it personal. Don't get too
upset about it.

607
00:32:34,164 --> 00:32:37,177
Just look at their behavior, because
they're probably going to reciprocate that

608
00:32:37,177 --> 00:32:39,109
at some point. Decide if you want them in
your life,

609
00:32:39,109 --> 00:32:40,290
if you want them as a customer.

610
00:32:40,290 --> 00:32:43,013
But don't take it personal. Because they
didn't do it to you.

611
00:32:43,013 --> 00:32:44,434
They do it to everyone.

612
00:32:46,082 --> 00:32:51,106
Yeah. Well I take nothing personally and
when I'm speaking to people,

613
00:32:51,106 --> 00:32:56,510
I literally transform myself in my mind
into an imaginary mirror.

614
00:32:56,510 --> 00:33:02,825
So the person speaking to me is just
seeing their own reflection through

615
00:33:02,825 --> 00:33:05,838
my physical being. I'm just a mirror for
you.

616
00:33:05,838 --> 00:33:11,372
I don't exist. I am just a mirror for you.

617
00:33:12,376 --> 00:33:14,814
Hm. So then if that's the case,

618
00:33:14,814 --> 00:33:18,295
you have photographs.

619
00:33:20,558 --> 00:33:24,062
That have sold for, ~ ~ seventy-eight
thousand,

620
00:33:24,062 --> 00:33:28,828
a hundred thousand dollars. What's
somebody actually paying for?

621
00:33:28,828 --> 00:33:30,630
If you're a mirror for us.

622
00:33:32,994 --> 00:33:34,799
What are they are they paying for the
photograph?

623
00:33:34,799 --> 00:33:36,384
Are they paying?

624
00:33:36,396 --> 00:33:37,784
Simple. It's very simple.

625
00:33:40,214 --> 00:33:46,299
My prices for my artworks are based on a
30-year history

626
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:51,744
of doing this. And my prices for my
artworks that are sold through galleries

627
00:33:51,744 --> 00:33:55,447
are all over the world are not based on
your budget.

628
00:33:55,447 --> 00:33:58,590
So if you can afford it, great.

629
00:33:58,590 --> 00:34:01,212
And if you can't, that's okay too.

630
00:34:01,212 --> 00:34:06,076
The biggest problem with selling limited
edition artworks for very expensive prices

631
00:34:06,397 --> 00:34:07,648
is that once it's sold out.

632
00:34:08,750 --> 00:34:10,357
Then you can't sell those pieces anymore.

633
00:34:13,078 --> 00:34:15,681
I think about what's not available anymore
once it's sold.

634
00:34:15,681 --> 00:34:18,246
I'm not thinking about selling the
artwork.

635
00:34:18,246 --> 00:34:19,779
I'm thinking, Well that's sold,

636
00:34:19,779 --> 00:34:22,473
now what do I do? It's not available
anymore.

637
00:34:22,473 --> 00:34:23,473
If we

638
00:34:22,882 --> 00:34:23,882
We

639
00:34:23,121 --> 00:34:26,206
took away everything that David's become,

640
00:34:26,206 --> 00:34:32,193
everything, except for your talent and the
ability for you to wake up and live.

641
00:34:32,193 --> 00:34:36,078
Take everything away. What do you think
you create?

642
00:34:38,315 --> 00:34:40,038
Today or tomorrow when that happens.

643
00:34:40,038 --> 00:34:41,418
What do you do?

644
00:34:42,190 --> 00:34:43,489
I don't think about this concept.

645
00:34:43,489 --> 00:34:47,851
You don't I think about no, I think about
staying gold,

646
00:34:47,851 --> 00:34:52,813
man. Stay gold. Stay healthy. Health is my
number one priority.

647
00:34:52,813 --> 00:34:56,373
Sleep, water, exercise,

648
00:34:56,373 --> 00:35:00,695
movement, stretching. I don't think what
if I lost everything today?

649
00:35:00,695 --> 00:35:06,917
Because ultimately, we all lose every
single thing we've ever owned ever.

650
00:35:06,917 --> 00:35:09,838
All our relationships, all of our material
things.

651
00:35:10,710 --> 00:35:15,634
It's all just a journey. And eventually
you end up with nothing.

652
00:35:15,634 --> 00:35:18,136
But I will say one last thing,

653
00:35:18,136 --> 00:35:19,958
what I've learned about people.

654
00:35:19,958 --> 00:35:22,440
When you're satisfied with nothing,

655
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:28,084
you end up with nothing. The key is to be
grateful for what you have.

656
00:35:28,084 --> 00:35:31,487
Let's start off with just the ability to
see,

657
00:35:31,487 --> 00:35:34,530
smell, taste, hear.

658
00:35:37,046 --> 00:35:40,160
Walk, run, talk.

659
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,250
A lot of people don't have that.

660
00:35:44,930 --> 00:35:47,392
How often do you wake up and think how
lucky you are to see?

661
00:35:47,392 --> 00:35:50,775
I've crazy eye problems my whole life.

662
00:35:50,775 --> 00:35:54,758
Dryness in my eyes. I've had retina
detachments,

663
00:35:54,758 --> 00:35:59,362
emergency retina detachments. And all I
think about is how lucky people

664
00:35:59,362 --> 00:36:02,185
are that they can see. And I make a living
with my eyes that

665
00:36:02,185 --> 00:36:05,607
are constantly betraying me. So I'm very
grateful.

666
00:36:05,607 --> 00:36:08,740
I had COVID so bad seven years ago.

667
00:36:08,740 --> 00:36:11,653
I was hospitalized in ICU because I
couldn't breathe.

668
00:36:11,653 --> 00:36:13,154
My oxygen was 82.

669
00:36:13,416 --> 00:36:15,227
All I wanted to do was breathe.

670
00:36:15,227 --> 00:36:19,328
The key is to be grateful for what you
have.

671
00:36:19,328 --> 00:36:21,358
There's always someone doing better than
you.

672
00:36:21,358 --> 00:36:23,370
There's always someone doing worse than
you.

673
00:36:23,370 --> 00:36:26,191
So don't compare yourself to other people.

674
00:36:26,191 --> 00:36:31,053
Just be grateful for you because there's
only one you in life.

675
00:36:31,053 --> 00:36:33,734
Everybody else has taken. So shut the fuck
up.

676
00:36:33,734 --> 00:36:37,466
No? I've given you a lot of great material
on this podcast,

677
00:36:37,466 --> 00:36:41,197
I must say. I really, I really have given
you a lot of great stuff.

678
00:36:41,197 --> 00:36:42,398
And I hope.

679
00:36:42,488 --> 00:36:47,042
That people listening can ~ adopt these
principles for themselves.

680
00:36:47,042 --> 00:36:53,507
Because I'll tell you that I'm more
interested in sharing with the world what
I've

681
00:36:53,507 --> 00:37:00,143
experienced as like more of a cultural
figure than I am with sharing

682
00:37:00,143 --> 00:37:05,277
the world with my limited edition artworks
because a very small amount

683
00:37:05,277 --> 00:37:06,778
of people can afford the work.

684
00:37:06,778 --> 00:37:11,042
It's the 1% of the 1%, but I really want
to cater to the 99%.

685
00:37:11,820 --> 00:37:13,974
And bring out other people's creativity,

686
00:37:13,974 --> 00:37:17,080
belief and dreams and the magic of you.

687
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:23,402
And that's what my purpose and goal for
the rest of my days are is to bring

688
00:37:23,402 --> 00:37:24,554
out the magic of other people.

689
00:37:25,582 --> 00:37:27,967
Does it start with a mindset or does it
start with an action?

690
00:37:28,588 --> 00:37:30,679
It doesn't start with a mindset or an
action.

691
00:37:30,679 --> 00:37:33,782
Just fucking be yourself, man.

692
00:37:33,782 --> 00:37:36,404
Really. ~ stop looking around.

693
00:37:36,404 --> 00:37:40,767
Just be yourself. Focus. Grind.

694
00:37:40,767 --> 00:37:44,950
Make shit happen, man. Make shit happen.

695
00:37:45,432 --> 00:37:49,245
Where'd that come from? She you see yes
you you talked about ~ your mom

696
00:37:49,245 --> 00:37:53,422
a couple of times. It it came through that
she's probably she

697
00:37:53,422 --> 00:37:54,422
was probably your person.

698
00:37:56,700 --> 00:37:57,700
~

699
00:37:59,980 --> 00:38:00,980
The things you've talked about,

700
00:38:00,922 --> 00:38:02,586
Dave, you're right. Yeah. They're they're
magic.

701
00:38:02,586 --> 00:38:04,339
It's money. It's so valuable. It's gold.

702
00:38:04,339 --> 00:38:05,482
It's the stuff you've talked about.

703
00:38:08,354 --> 00:38:13,213
Did so often we look at our wives and
there was one or two people that

704
00:38:13,213 --> 00:38:16,138
we really liked the most. That's what I
found from me and the people I'm around.

705
00:38:16,138 --> 00:38:17,811
There's ~ one or two. Not many,

706
00:38:17,811 --> 00:38:19,074
one or two.

707
00:38:22,178 --> 00:38:23,178
See

708
00:38:24,812 --> 00:38:27,020
As you looked at your wife, ~ what was
special about her?

709
00:38:30,594 --> 00:38:32,275
My mom made me feel like I could fly.

710
00:38:32,275 --> 00:38:37,598
My dad never believed in me. And I took
that combination

711
00:38:38,398 --> 00:38:42,881
of unbelievable confidence that I could be
whatever I want to be,

712
00:38:42,881 --> 00:38:45,902
and incredible fear that I wasn't good
enough.

713
00:38:45,902 --> 00:38:52,896
And to take that combination of you can
fly and you'll never fly.

714
00:38:52,896 --> 00:38:59,310
And you blend that together, this is what
happens fear and confidence.

715
00:38:59,788 --> 00:39:02,390
You can fly, you can't fly. You can't fly,

716
00:39:02,390 --> 00:39:06,422
you can fly. You blend that together and
boom.

717
00:39:06,422 --> 00:39:10,715
It's beautiful. That's all I got for you,

718
00:39:10,715 --> 00:39:11,956
man. That's all I got for

719
00:39:11,202 --> 00:39:12,202
That's

720
00:39:12,123 --> 00:39:15,445
Yeah, I think I think that ~ we said these
rest of the days,

721
00:39:15,445 --> 00:39:19,388
I hope that who know and I almost thought
about this in the beginning.

722
00:39:19,388 --> 00:39:23,292
~ the big figures in life, like a Dolly
Parton just passed away,

723
00:39:23,292 --> 00:39:26,494
what I'm starting to do now, 47 for me,

724
00:39:26,494 --> 00:39:29,217
~ I'm not worried about when it's all
over.

725
00:39:29,217 --> 00:39:32,349
But I'm thinking about it differently now.

726
00:39:32,349 --> 00:39:35,382
When I hear someone passed away at seventy
nine or eighty or eighty one,

727
00:39:35,382 --> 00:39:40,436
I actually think about how impactful I
want to make the rest of my time.

728
00:39:41,442 --> 00:39:42,693
I never usually when we were younger,

729
00:39:42,693 --> 00:39:44,024
I didn't think about it. But I'll go,

730
00:39:44,024 --> 00:39:46,837
I'll I'll subtract the difference from how
old they were to how and I'm like,

731
00:39:46,837 --> 00:39:47,988
man, that's twenty five years.

732
00:39:47,988 --> 00:39:50,630
You better get to work. You better do
something.

733
00:39:50,630 --> 00:39:53,513
If you want to make this life valuable and
make an impact in people's lives,

734
00:39:53,513 --> 00:39:55,065
you better go out and do something with
it.

735
00:39:55,065 --> 00:39:57,226
And ~ I appreciate the time that you gave
us.

736
00:39:57,226 --> 00:39:59,278
It is you're you're you're hard.

737
00:39:59,278 --> 00:40:01,170
I love it. You're hard. Go do things,

738
00:40:01,170 --> 00:40:04,553
take action. But the advice you're giving
people ain't comes from this experience

739
00:40:04,553 --> 00:40:06,085
you've lived. That's what I'm assuming.

740
00:40:06,085 --> 00:40:07,406
And what you think.

741
00:40:07,502 --> 00:40:09,153
Experience. I'm a self-made person.

742
00:40:09,153 --> 00:40:14,927
Yep. I've got self-made entrepreneurial
vibes with myself,

743
00:40:14,927 --> 00:40:19,570
with no one watching. That's how I see
myself with the face that no one sees.

744
00:40:19,570 --> 00:40:22,832
Just pay attention to that face.

745
00:40:22,832 --> 00:40:26,775
~ ~ that face? The one that no one sees
but yourself when you look in the mirror.

746
00:40:26,775 --> 00:40:29,157
That's the face you should pay attention
to.

747
00:40:29,157 --> 00:40:31,158
Thanks so much for your time, man.

748
00:40:31,426 --> 00:40:32,521
Hundred percent man. Thank you.

749
00:40:32,521 --> 00:40:33,898
Thanks for joining us. This will be
awesome.