#177 - Why You’re Capable of More Success Than You’re Experiencing Right Now: Karen Canham

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Life is hard and hard is not a bad thing.

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It's the way we respond to that hard is how that's going to shape our life and whether we
feel empowered or not.

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We're going to have a fantastic guest on today and we're going to get into it and talk
about a bunch of things that all underline uh mental health and how we mold that with

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building businesses and this crazy entrepreneurial journey that so many of us are on.

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so um let's just get right into it.

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So today is Karen Ann Canham.

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What a cool name.

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She's the founder of Karen Ann Wellness.

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She built her business in a space that requires a lot of trust, credibility and personal
responsibility.

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where the work is deeply human, but the decisions still have real business consequences.

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I'm looking forward to digging into how she built the company, the decisions that mattered
most and what she's learned along the way.

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um Karen Ann, welcome to the Necessary Entrepreneur.

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Thanks, I'm excited for the conversation.

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Yes.

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I'm pumped that you're sitting in warm climates, even though it's a little chillier and
you can bring all the sunshine to the conversation.

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So I'm pumped.

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So we talked a little bit beforehand, really getting to know each other and understanding
your business and what you're building.

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And you really drove home with me that the foundation of everything you built is around
mental, mental health, mental wellness.

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So what does that mean?

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Because in this new world of health and wellness and all the things coming at this
program, this medicine, this way of living.

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There is a lot of information coming at us and those of us that aren't in the space, in
the business, hanging out with neuroscientists and neurologists.

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I think a lot of times we don't know where to go.

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And so what's the field that you're really honing in on, on mental mental wellness, what's
going on with your business and what's the purpose and what's happening.

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Yeah, my business has not been linear and it's obviously started not in this space, but
where I'm at now, just the growth of it is that I do focus on the nervous system, which is

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a huge buzzword right now.

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However, with that being said, what I have found throughout practicing in this wellness
space for over 15 years is that it ultimately comes down to the nervous system.

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paying attention to our nervous system, understanding our nervous system on an educational
level helps immensely, but also being able to do that bottom-up work as well, which would

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be work that we're doing in the body.

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So we're getting out of the head and we're getting into the body really starts to make
those transformations in the human themselves.

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So we're getting out of the head and into the body.

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mean, that hits on me a lot because there's all these things that my core group of people,
you know how the people that you really know well, you don't have to provide context to.

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You can be a little inappropriate if you want.

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They understand who you are and you can say these hard hitting things that a person that
you're not around much might think that's harsh or that's evil.

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And it's like, no, that we've, we've built our relationships and know what this is.

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Like you said that, you know, it's a buzzword, but also

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out of our mind, there's these things out here that go such like feelings aren't facts,
right?

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And so where are we at in this space about managing?

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Also, there's a lot of ideas around emotional wellness and emotional transparency and
emotional intelligence.

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I didn't hear the term emotional intelligence in my life.

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Nobody was talking about these things until the past like five, six, seven years.

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And so if it's a thing, it doesn't mean it just became a thing.

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So I wonder, does that intersect with what you're working on where you're working more on
the nervous system and getting out of the mind or is that totally something off course?

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No, absolutely.

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really the ultimate goal here is a lot of people that come to me, they have a lot of
awareness and they're very insightful and intelligent, um but they're very much in their

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heads.

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And that's really what we've been taught a lot in society is to control the mind, right?

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And I'll just give you a little scientific fact here.

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So we have nerves that run from our brain into our body and those nerves basically touch
all the organs into our body.

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And 20 % of the information comes from our brain to our body, and then 80 % from the body
to the brain.

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And so what's happening is if we're only stuck in the brain and we're trying to reframe
thoughts that we're having, for example, that is helpful to an extent.

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But the body is like, hello, hello, what are you doing?

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I don't understand what's happening.

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I'm still getting these signals that feel off to me.

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And so there's only so much change that we can do and that's why we we still start to feel
like kind of stuck and it can be difficult and it can feel um not necessarily

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transformational, you know, it feels like a tool that we have and it's helpful and that
and that moment but it's not an overall like yeah, I'm a different type of being than what

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I was before.

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The work that we can do when we really get into the body is then understanding, and I'll
touch on the feeling thing, that they're not facts.

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um They are facts to your body, is what I would say about that.

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So your body feels that's what the nervous system does.

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It's sending these signals and it's based off of feelings and then it's responding based
off of what that feeling is.

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There is...

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You know, we can argue about like where the feelings start.

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Do they start in the brain?

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Do they start in the body?

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For me, it doesn't really matter.

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It's like if the feelings there, the feelings there, and we don't want to ignore the
feeling or push the feeling away, we want to explore what we're feeling.

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So if I'm feeling sad, for example, that's not comfortable, right?

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And most of us don't want to feel that.

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So we're going to like try to

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outsmart our body of that sadness that that body feels and we're going to try to like
control it with our brain.

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And when we do that, then that sadness continues to sit in that body and that the body is
still communicating, I'm sad, I'm sad, I'm sad.

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And that's when we start to develop chronic issues, um chronic medical issues, right?

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So um it's really important that we're listening into the body and with this work that
we're doing that

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We're understanding like this is human and the education piece of the work that I do is
huge because it really takes a lot of shame out of like what we're going through as a

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human.

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And it gives a lot of relief to people of like, well, this is just a normal, this is how
our bodies work, right?

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um And with that being said, the work that we do of, for example, feelings that we might
feel, then we can get more curious about them and develop a relationship with them.

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They're giving us information is all they're doing and they want to be paid attention to.

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Now with that being said, there's a healthy way to pay attention to those emotions.

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So we don't wanna be in a place where we're controlled by those emotions.

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um We wanna utilize them as like this is information and what are you trying to tell me so
that we can make just the right choices moving forward.

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Yeah.

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I don't know who I heard recently, but just cause somebody has a, big platform or they're
an influencer doesn't mean they're right.

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But it, tends to be that higher level experts that get more exposure, go to those places.

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Who knows more right and who's wrong.

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But I heard something recently where they said that what they're starting to realize, and
maybe you can, without us touching on a subject before you can bring your insight and your

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intelligence and experience behind it.

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That what they're starting to realize that some with traditional

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therapy and going and sitting down and talking to therapists that they're starting to see
that there's harm and always focusing on the problem though.

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So what about that?

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So I struck something here with you.

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Yeah, this is part of the why I do the work that I do.

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So my journey was, you know, started when I was a child, I had childhood trauma, I
developed anorexia from that childhood trauma to like deal with it.

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oh Didn't go to treatment for that uh disorder until I was in my 20s.

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I finally was like,

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This is not a way to be living.

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And that's where I really started to get into the wellness space.

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And really my focus was, and when I say the wellness space, it was like um yoga, and then
I was doing coaching, and I was always more focused on the brain.

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um However, yes, therapy can be very damaging, um especially for people with trauma.

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Being stuck in the story is a lot of what therapy does, this talk therapy.

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And um it's not helpful because we're not processing that through the body.

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We're staying in the brain and we keep reliving, reliving, reliving um that in our brain
as we're talking and we're telling these stories and we're staying stuck in it.

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And then it just becomes more and more prevalent in the body where the body is like, whoa,
I'm...

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I'm afraid, right?

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So what we're trying to do and the work that we do, what I do is we're trying to create
that safety back into the body.

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Give me an idea of this body work that you do that, helps us work through this versus
these old traditional models that maybe this is going to come into something more

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mainstream than needs to happen.

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So what is this body work without spending hours and hours on it?

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What is it?

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Yeah, so um it is important for me to get, you know, some information of what is
cognitively going on with my clients.

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Usually a session would be run with like a check-in and then I'm getting them into the
body and what that would look like is it can look several different ways, but like in a

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nutshell, it's looking like I first want to create safety for them.

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So I want them to be able to attach to something that's like a safe place for them.

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or a person who was really safe for them because what we're going to start to do is
explore certain experiences that they went through that were traumatic or challenging for

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them.

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And so when we do that, let's say for example, um someone went through something where
they saw someone who had been murdered.

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And so that is something that is still sitting in their body.

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And so we want to start to explore where does that sit in your body.

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How does that feel in your body and going through the sensations?

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Does it feel warm?

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What color is it?

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What are you seeing when you see that part in your body?

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um And then once we do that, then we're able to take that energy that's stored in the body
and then that energy is being able to be released from the body.

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The other part of that is, is we start to go deeper and we start to explore like what
protectors have now developed from that specific incident um that I saw.

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So I might have developed something like hypervigilance based on that, based on me seeing
someone who was murdered.

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And so now I'm very hypervigilant in my life.

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These are all past experiences.

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that

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of what I saw in the past and then my system created this hypervigilant protector in order
for me to feel safe.

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And it's not necessarily serving me in today.

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And what we're really trying to figure out is, is it still serving you in your present
day?

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Or is this something that we can really kind of let go of and allow your adult authentic
self to take over back into the driver's seat?

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And this is really important for entrepreneurs because a lot of what I see and as I move
through this work, I work with more and more entrepreneurs is that this stuff that has

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happened to us um really can get in the way of the decisions that we're making in our
businesses.

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And we're making decisions based off of this past stuff that is still stored in our body.

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And we're not making decisions on our present, who we are today, what we're really capable
of doing.

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It's not clear, we're not connected.

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um I may say another protector part would be perfectionism, which is something that I
continue to have to work on.

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And so I have to continually be aware of that and tell myself, and ask myself, am I
operating from a place of perfection right now?

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How is it, is it working well for me?

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Because these parts, they're not.

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bad.

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They exist in everyone and it's on a spectrum of like how much it's leading and it's in
the driver seat in our daily lives.

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And we just have to decide is it causing us harm or not.

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you from all your experience.

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I think we all have some level of, I guess the word we use is trauma, but there's things
that have happened and I don't know anybody that's lived the perfect life that hasn't had

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something bad happen them.

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I really don't, right?

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And on the spectrum, it's not our job to say it's a one or a 10, but the way that it's
affected them, it seems like almost every human has something that affects us in this way.

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And the people that I see that do a better job conquering it and leave it behind are ones
that say, I didn't do that.

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I I'm not the one who did that to me in that person who did that to me that had nothing to
do with me.

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So why would I carry that forward and make that my existence now?

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And I just, there's something about that shared experience that those people, it's not
like they're forgetting it.

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Right.

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And so I see them on a daily basis, actually using the thing then for some positive energy
versus letting it just strangle them.

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And, and ruin their life and the people that I'm around that some of my love and I care
about, they continue to live in the reality of the thing happening.

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Like it's still happening today.

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And everybody from the outside, what you want to do in a positive loving way, you just
want to put your arms around them and say, Hey, that's gone.

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That's not here anymore.

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What do we need to do to take those shackles off to stop letting that thing control your
life?

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Because, and I'll hand it back to you and saying this like,

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somebody that died 20 years ago that did something to us that we still allow that person
to haunt us from the grave is just to me, it's, it's coming from a loving good place, but

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it's like, Hey, don't allow them that control anymore.

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So this whole thing together is there are there studies that have been done on how that is
released.

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Like, do we have to wait for this to be a personal journey for every single person?

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Cause that's tough as a professional to help, right?

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To sit down and say every person's unique case.

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where there are studies that say, Hey, this is really a way that we can get these folks to
say, I didn't do this to me.

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Yeah, so we all have trauma, whether we hate that word or not, we can call it whatever we
want.

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We all are exposed to trauma and it affects people differently.

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And it's very complicated and there's many different factors that go into why one specific
incident may affect me way more than it affects you.

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um A couple things here I should have taken notes because there were so much good nuggets
in there is um

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Ultimately, what we're trying to do in this work is create safety.

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And so a lot of what's happening in these people that are stuck in those, know, I'm stuck
and I'm still allowing these, the past experiences to like rule me, right?

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That's ultimately what we're trying to get out of here is to create safety.

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They do not feel safe.

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And so in order for them to feel safety, we talk about containment in my industry.

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So,

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We want to hold a space for these people that feels very different than something that
they've probably ever experienced.

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And a lot of my job is coming to these sessions and being in a very regulated place
myself.

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so teaching them what regulation is and what that looks like starts to rewire themselves
and then they'll start to show up differently.

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we speak to them in a different way.

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So we're not giving them advice, we're asking them questions, um we're giving a lot of
compassion.

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um It's not like a, know, everything you do is right type of thing and cheering them on.

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It's really this place of

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Can I say this?

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it just, is it, I'm going to, from the outside, is it just removing judgment?

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Yes, that's a huge part of it.

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Yeah.

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ultimately, the work is to start to create safety in the body.

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And the best way that I can explain this and what this means, I think all of us, and I
wonder if someone's going to come to me and say like, that isn't true for me.

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But I do feel like all of us can think of a time when we were a child that things felt
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there was a lot of wonder.

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That's ultimately the place that we're trying to get back into.

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So all of these things, all of these things that have happened throughout our life and a
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to seven.

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And they're developing at that point because those things are really needed in that age.

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But as an adult, they're really not helpful for us anymore.

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So that's really what we're trying to do and the work that we do with the nervous system.

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Yeah, I think, um, it's funny that we're having this conversation.

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Last night, someone sent me a picture of them at some summer camp and they were a really
small child.

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They were probably six or seven and they're like, can you pick me out?

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And I didn't even say yes.

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I just responded and said, the spirit and the happiness of that kid is tough to ignore.

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And then I reflected on a picture that one of my favorite pictures of me as a kid, I have
this hair that's just staticky and just sticking up everywhere that we'd make fun of as

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adults.

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And I have some of the nerdiest clothes cause we grew up not wealthy, but the smile on
that kid's face.

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I think what I'm trying to do every day is live up to the happiness that started there.

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Right.

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I think we put too much context into happiness of material things or life.

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It's like, no, it's just feeling how that kid felt every day.

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And so there's something that you said we go back to this time, just look at that picture.

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so looking at the person that sent it to me and me, it's maybe in my older age at 46 now,
and starting to become a little more human.

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It makes me a little sad.

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It makes me a little sad because we overcomplicate this world at every turn because there
wasn't any complication on our worlds then.

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um,

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I believe that it's possible for us as humans and as adults now to get back to a balance
and a feeling and being centered like the smile I see on those kids' faces.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, it really is.

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uh I mean, there's so many things that can be said and it's so complex of all the things
that are going on between, you know, a three year old until where we are when we're 46 and

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why, why all these things, why we are the way that we are now and why that stuff leaves
us.

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But ultimately, like, that is the work of like learning physiologically what's going on in
your body, why you came to be the way that you are, and being able to rewire and then

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you know, let those things go.

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So and respond differently into daily life.

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So there's so we can talk about this in a way of attachment to, you know, an attachment
styles and attaching to what's going on in the news.

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mean, it's kind of there's so much out there as far as like, when we're talking about
entrepreneurship and, you know, businesses that are run and it's like, well, we know that

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this is, you know,

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If we do this specific thing, then it's going to like suck people in, but we know it's not
good for them anyways, right?

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um And that's one thing, the media we can talk about and how people get really stuck in
that.

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And that becomes like so much of like their connection with other people and how really
damaging that can be on the brain.

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What have, what are some of the big takeaways as you're transitioning and building your
business and putting a bunch of pieces together and doing some contract work, some

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independent work and spending time around neurologists.

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What have you, what have you realized about being now a business owner, an entrepreneur?

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Um, what's real and true now that you really didn't know.

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Cause so many people try being a business owner, try being an entrepreneur.

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And so many people we can say fail or quit or whatever.

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Right.

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But it's really hard.

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Um, what have you realized that's true about this journey that you really didn't know that
then we'll talk about how do you use the body work and the mental health to conquer it and

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work through it.

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So first what's true that you didn't really know.

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And then how are you using your expertise and in your field to even help your business?

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It's really not about strategy.

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It's about the capacity that you can hold.

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um So for example, I had a thought this morning, oh, Judge Judy, she lives in Naples and
she sold her house.

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And I was thinking to myself, um well, I've been doing this work around like inviting in
like all these, if nothing mattered, like what do I want my life to look like, right?

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And all these things and

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I felt really uncomfortable.

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It's like this home that she sold, I mean, it's outrageous, right?

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But it's like, um I don't have the capacity in my system to hold that.

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Ultimately is what it came down to is like, my system feels very uncomfortable around that
amount of money and what that looks like, not just what it takes to get there, but like

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what that looks like when you're there.

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um And so,

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that's just one and that is a lot of the work that I'm talking about is like all this
stuff that I've been conditioned to be right is like getting in the way of me just like,

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yeah, sure.

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Let's let's go for it.

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Like, how do we do it?

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Right?

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So yeah, that's the biggest thing that I run into with with people that I work with and a
lot of them are solopreneurs or they have a few people on their team is that

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they think that it's about strategy.

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And this is where I was too.

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I need more strategy.

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I need to be smarter.

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I need to learn more.

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I need more business skills.

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And yes, we need all those things.

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But if I don't have the capacity to hold these things, it's never gonna work.

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If I don't feel aligned with what I'm doing, it's never gonna work.

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um So those are the biggest lessons that I've learned along the way.

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And now,

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this place that I'm at in my life is kind of a transition and it's kind of like I've had
to back up a little bit because I don't have a certain capacity that I had before.

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And so there's just, you know, this is not about being perfect and this is not about um
getting rid of all these things that like get in our way because they will be there.

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It's just like.

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having the awareness and then like dealing with the flow of what those are in the present
moment.

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Where's this capacity come from?

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So what we're trying to do in this work that I do is expand our capacity.

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And what I mean by that is we have what I call as a window of tolerance.

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And so that window of tolerance is we can look at it in a way of like, this is the amount
of stress that I can handle.

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And what we're trying to do is increase that, increase that, increase that.

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And so some of the work that we do is being able to, just the example that I was
explaining before is when we are able to feel safe of living like,

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an experience that currently doesn't feel safe to us.

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And then we can live that and we can somatically feel through that.

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Our body then feels safe around that.

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And so that we're able to increase what we're able to handle.

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Hmm.

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Does that have to come through failure?

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Cause that tends to be what we hear out here.

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And a lot of us that have achieved enough success that we have operational businesses that
can continue every day and there's cashflow that we look back and it's like, man, we've

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had way more losses than we've had wins here.

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And usually whether it's positive or not, whether we feel good about it, that's where my
capacity came from.

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And what you're saying is I'm not interested in.

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What's popular or what people like, but all we can do is speak.

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It's not my truth, but the truth of what the journey's been and, my, the, the truth that
I've lived here, someone asked me, it's like, Hey, you've been doing this for 20 years and

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you work more than most people that I know.

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And I'm not somebody out here that's advertising.

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Everybody has to work like me, but they said, explain your success.

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said, I haven't reached my pain tolerance yet.

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I say that I actually haven't reached the point where I just can't or won't deal with it
anymore.

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And so what I'm wondering is where's that come from?

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If we know maybe we're still trying to find this journey.

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Yeah, I mean, I think there's two different things here.

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I think there's first of all of like, who doesn't succeed because they they're getting in
their own way.

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And so they're stopping themselves from like getting to the next point.

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And it's not a it's not a like incident that happens or a failure that's happened.

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It's an internally what's going on.

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I think on the other hand, it can get to something where there's

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there can be something that is like, you know, devastation in the business, right?

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And you learn a lesson from that.

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the same thing applies.

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You either learn from that and move on, or you can, you know, spiral downwards.

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So I guess they're basic, they're different scenarios, but they're the same thing.

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Most people that I work with,

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we're not discussing like these big failures that are happening in their business.

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We're discussing internally what's getting in the way from them to move forward or what's
happening right now is like, this doesn't feel aligned with me.

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So for example, someone that I met with yesterday, she completely shut down her whole
business, which was thriving ah because it didn't feel good for her.

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And that is something that can be very dis-regulating to the system.

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you know, of like, that's just not what we're taught to do, right?

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Like if something's going really well, successfully, financially, like you keep, you keep
doing it.

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And this person was like, no, I don't, I don't want to do it anymore.

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It doesn't feel good for me and my system.

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So I'm going to pivot and do something different.

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Um, what's your overall feeling right now here in 2025, um, your belief and your feeling
about entrepreneurship.

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I do believe that everybody probably has it in them if they do the work, the internal
work.

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And my biggest opinion is that it really is really important because you have control.

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And ultimately, it's very difficult to feel like you're really aligned with your true
authentic self when you're

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in a job doing what other people are telling you to do, or you don't have control whether
that, you know, how much money you make or if that job's going to be available the next

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day.

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So when we move into this more of this world of like things are rapidly changing, I think
it's very important to just brand yourself in general and get yourself out there of like

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what you really stand for.

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Yeah.

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I was looking at a couple of my leaders two nights ago and I looked at them and I said,
Hey, listen, a part of this leadership game is truly understanding human nature.

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And there's these patterns that all of us come with.

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And if we really want to connect and lead people, we have to know that.

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But I said, here's what I know about human nature.

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The three of us sitting at this table, none of us want to be told what to do.

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Not none of us.

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I never find one human being that really at our core, we want to be told what to do.

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So then how do we unlock this?

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ability, your, whether it's body, whether it's mind that we're willing to do the necessary
things and the necessary work to build the infrastructure that we can break out of that

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and take control.

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To your point, you said, Hey, we're in control.

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We are, but what's that?

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What's that really look like to live our best life?

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And I'm not saying you have to run a business to live your best life, but if the core of
human nature, everybody I've seen is we don't want to be told what to do.

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That doesn't really line up with being an nutritional employee most of our lives.

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Yeah, I mean, I think there's some people that it's easy.

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It's a lot easier to be told what to do.

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I know, we were alright

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It's like, pick your hard, you know, there's a lot of hardship that comes with taking that
path.

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There's a lot of hardship that comes with being an entrepreneur.

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um Pick your hard.

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Yeah.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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What would you tell people if they come in and they're like, it's all hard right now.

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So I guess we can, we can, we can talk forever, but I want to make sure that we, get
people looking at what you're doing in your platforms.

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But if they walked in and be like, okay, I just listened to this podcast you're on and my
life feels hard.

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And Karen, I just heard you say, I got to pick my heart.

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What are you talking about?

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Pick my heart.

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I'm not picking this.

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This life is happening to me.

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And somebody sits down and be like, you're telling me I picked this hard.

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Yeah, a couple things I would ask certain questions to weed them out if they were ready to
do the work.

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But if I felt like they were ready to do the work, life is hard and hard is not a bad
thing.

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Hard is giving us information.

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Everything's giving us information.

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It's the way we respond to that hard is how that's going to shape our life and whether we
feel empowered or not.

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What's the best part about helping people process through this and then them feeling
empowered?

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The best part on my end is that usually after about three sessions with me, people will
start to feel differently.

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And, you know, and then it expands into like, um just these energy shifts of like, I'm
bringing in these things now that are aligned, I'm living in a way that feels authentic to

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me.

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I don't feel like I'm stuck and I'm like pushing and I'm, you I'm in this like sticky,

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substance.

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It's like I'm bending, you know, I'm flowing like a tree would move through the wind.

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Things haven't necessarily changed.

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I'm just responding to things differently.

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And the biggest thing that I see is that this shift in people is it outwardly expands to
people around them.

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And that's the biggest, that's the coolest thing that I see.

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And we can talk about this as like a

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co-regulation piece, you know, how much different their relationships become with their
children or their spouse or in their working environment.

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Yeah.

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What I've found is, I've found it's not necessarily about any of the outward facing
things.

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What I know is it's who I've become in every situation.

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What I'm trying to tell myself is, unfortunately, maybe this isn't the right message for,
know, for your clients or what you're trying to build.

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But what the world is giving back to me is because I gave them and showed up in the world
for what I've become.

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And.

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At full responsibility, whether we like it or not is if I want to have a different
outcome, I've realized that you can't rely on other humans that much.

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I'm not pessimistic about it.

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Right.

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And so, but if I'm expecting different responses from them and I want to continue to
engage in that part of the world, I got to bring something different.

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And that is true.

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And, and what I would say is say, Hey, you don't have to continue to put yourself in that,
in those environments, but if you're looking for something different in those same

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environments, for the most part, those people aren't going to be the ones that are going
to do the changing.

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It's gonna have to be us.

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Yeah, and that's what self-leadership is.

399
00:34:34,639 --> 00:34:41,904
uh And that's also what the work that I do, you know, that's the place that we want to get
you to.

400
00:34:41,904 --> 00:34:45,926
oh What I hear you saying is that no one's coming to save you and no one is.

401
00:34:45,926 --> 00:34:52,531
And there's lot out there of like, you know, that another person can make me happy.

402
00:34:52,531 --> 00:34:55,012
Like if I get married, for example.

403
00:34:55,677 --> 00:34:57,644
Yeah, it's not a...

404
00:34:59,502 --> 00:35:02,602
It's not saying like, you are in control.

405
00:35:02,602 --> 00:35:06,962
You are in control and like, you cannot control people around you.

406
00:35:06,962 --> 00:35:11,022
That doesn't mean what people do is okay.

407
00:35:11,942 --> 00:35:15,282
But yeah, it ultimately is the self leadership piece.

408
00:35:15,282 --> 00:35:22,562
And that's exactly what you were explaining there of, know, how do I look at things
differently?

409
00:35:22,562 --> 00:35:24,082
How do I respond differently?

410
00:35:24,082 --> 00:35:26,182
How do I move through this differently?

411
00:35:26,242 --> 00:35:28,163
Yeah, because, because I want to have a different outcome.

412
00:35:28,163 --> 00:35:29,384
That's the whole purpose.

413
00:35:29,384 --> 00:35:31,736
This isn't to have anybody feel or look at me differently.

414
00:35:31,736 --> 00:35:33,597
It's cause I want to have different outcomes.

415
00:35:33,597 --> 00:35:35,188
I want to feel better about my day.

416
00:35:35,188 --> 00:35:38,840
I want to feel like I'm more in control and, I don't think the world's working against us.

417
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,512
This idea that no one's coming to save us.

418
00:35:41,512 --> 00:35:46,025
It's like, they're not, it's like, they're not trying to bury us, but they're looking out
for them.

419
00:35:46,025 --> 00:35:47,817
That's what's going on in the world.

420
00:35:47,817 --> 00:35:48,097
Right?

421
00:35:48,097 --> 00:35:49,448
So they're looking out for them.

422
00:35:49,448 --> 00:35:53,120
They're going through the same struggles and the same battles that we're going through.

423
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,752
And it's tough to comprehend that and put it in its right space.

424
00:35:55,752 --> 00:35:56,152
And.

425
00:35:56,152 --> 00:35:59,506
So I'm like, Hey guys, these aren't enemies out here for the most part.

426
00:35:59,506 --> 00:36:01,618
They're just more focused on what they're trying to do too.

427
00:36:01,618 --> 00:36:03,490
So it's not going to feel like they're showing up for you.

428
00:36:03,490 --> 00:36:11,638
So if you can be your own best advocate and go out here and show up for people and make a
difference in their life, I've found there are some people that show up for us.

429
00:36:13,748 --> 00:36:16,590
Yeah, there's definitely people that show up for us.

430
00:36:16,590 --> 00:36:29,126
And I think that when we do this work, and we have a better understanding of like what
that self leadership is that um our connection increases, there's much more connection

431
00:36:29,126 --> 00:36:35,869
with other people than there was in the past, because all this other like junk isn't in
the way.

432
00:36:37,090 --> 00:36:43,778
Um, how do people come and find Karen for these three awesome meetings and sessions?

433
00:36:44,568 --> 00:36:48,355
So the best place to find me is through my website at caronannwellness.com.

434
00:36:48,355 --> 00:36:54,014
You can contact me straight through there or you can find my socials and contact me
through there.

435
00:36:54,060 --> 00:36:58,344
It's best if they're in Naples, Florida, but if from afar you're here to help as well.

436
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:00,696
But yeah, all my clients are online.

437
00:37:01,361 --> 00:37:02,122
Yep.

438
00:37:02,419 --> 00:37:03,623
it's a new world in it, man.

439
00:37:03,623 --> 00:37:04,346
It's wild.

440
00:37:04,346 --> 00:37:09,992
The connections that we can have, it can feel like it's not quite as good as sitting in
the room, but it's the next best thing.

441
00:37:11,266 --> 00:37:16,449
Yeah, it is pretty cool because you you get to work with so many more people.

442
00:37:16,449 --> 00:37:19,916
Yeah, your finger is much bigger.

443
00:37:20,174 --> 00:37:21,425
Thank you for coming on to sharing.

444
00:37:21,425 --> 00:37:22,896
There's going be some reflection I'll do.

445
00:37:22,896 --> 00:37:30,143
if, and if everybody's interested, just go and find Karen and wellness.com and, let her
help you make a difference in your life.

446
00:37:30,143 --> 00:37:31,954
It's amazing what can happen in one year.

447
00:37:31,954 --> 00:37:36,548
If they're willing to do this work and they find the right person to, to, to do it with
them.

448
00:37:36,548 --> 00:37:40,952
It's crazy that when things change in our mind and our heart and our body, I agree with
you.

449
00:37:40,952 --> 00:37:41,583
It's crazy.

450
00:37:41,583 --> 00:37:44,855
You wake up and you become a different person in two and three and four months.

451
00:37:44,855 --> 00:37:48,328
And, uh, it doesn't have to take a decade, a year or a lifetime.

452
00:37:48,930 --> 00:37:51,066
Yeah, that's very true.

453
00:37:51,730 --> 00:37:53,740
Thank you for coming on, it's great to meet you.

454
00:37:53,740 --> 00:37:54,652
You too,