#132 - Self-Leadership, Clarity, and Becoming Legendary w/ Tommy Breedlove

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I'm allergic to victimhood, apathy, entitlement, and laziness.

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I'm allergic to it.

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However, our mass media in bulk promotes entitlement and victimhood.

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And if you told you deserve or you're owed something or someone's trying to take something
from you and give it to them and you're owed, like we got you.

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Think mass politics, think mass media, think at certain levels, mass religion.

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you start belief.

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That's all you read here and say.

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And if you're vegging out on that TV and looking at your computer and your phone, that's
all you're going to know because it is rewiring your brain.

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you

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Alright guys, we're um what an opportunity we have to talk to somebody that's a better
person than even his incredible extraordinary name, Tommy Breedlove.

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you all, there is an entire podcast story behind that I know but we're not gonna unlock
that today but um comes to us from being the author of the book Legendary which has been

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one of the best sellers in multiple categories for a long time.

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Um he has some great core messages from the book, some great quotes but he was also the
founder of Choose Goodness so we're interested in hearing that today.

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He's a guy who is about

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empowering and helping elite people, in my words, achieve legendary status.

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So we'll kick this off because I could keep them here for hours and we're going to try to
fly through this in one.

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a welcome, don't say thanks for having us yet until I say, um, there's tools in the book,
legendary that you have a legendary playbook, there's daily habits and clarity frameworks.

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I'd love to hear about your clarity framework, but there's a core message in the book and
maybe we can launch off with the entire conversation to help us all grow today.

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You don't have to be rich to be legendary.

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You have to be intentional.

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Say that again, brother.

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You don't have to reach to be the legendary.

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You have to be what?

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You don't have to be rich to be legendary, but you have to be intentional.

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Indeed, Intention without action and action without intention is useless.

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Okay, so and that probably goes with daily habits and clarity of framework.

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what if you have an entire crazy wild history on how deep we're to go back to when you
were 19 and then working for Deut which is the top in the accounting firm.

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But what brought you to this book of writing that book a few years ago, the legendary what
brought you

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Pain really, and then multiple transformations, one at 19 that you alluded to, one at 36.

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Both of them almost cost me everything.

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And then at 36, I never thought I was going to leave the mergers and acquisitions, public
accounting and financial world, but made a lot of poor choices and mistakes throughout my

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life on the chase of more and when and status and objects and power.

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Brother, I'm in the money business and success business.

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So I do think that is important.

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I agree with T Harvecker, man.

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If someone says money is not important, port and run from them because they're broke.

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However, if you're an ass or not a good person or insecure, angry, you know, money, as we
all know, it's just going to, it's just going to be magnified with that too.

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so legendary is a culmination of, uh, hold on there.

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Yeah.

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I almost, almost canceled you there.

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Hey,

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Speaking of cancellation culture, which I don't believe in, I pressed a button and it
said, are you ready to leave?

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Did you see that, You could tell we're like, I was like, what?

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Asked if I'm going to leave.

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to make it more dramatic is what you're doing here.

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He's living up to the breed love name.

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I was like, how the hell is this thing wanting to exit?

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We just started.

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Bunch of terrible choices and failure.

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What the heck, man?

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You know, that seems like, um, to hand it back over to you, but that seems like the big
conversation in society right now.

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You have to accept failure to be able to succeed.

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And a lot of people are talking about it, but, um, it doesn't seem like a greater
percentage of people embracing that idea.

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What's your thoughts?

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Yeah, I don't think people, I think people are scared of failing.

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I think people are more worried about how people perceive them.

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I think a lot of us high achieving ambitious men and women, we care about status.

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We care about ego.

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Uh, we want to be LinkedIn successful and Instagram fabulous.

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We want to look good all the time.

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We want to be perfect.

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We get paid a lot of us for our wisdom.

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We get paid for our brains.

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We get paid for helping people make big decisions and

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Sometimes we get tied up in our own ego or on will or own knowledge.

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We get closed minded and certain men.

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And when humans get closed minded and certain, we become dangerously ignorant, arrogant
people.

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And I think failure is the way it's easy to say, right.

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And when you're in failure, it sucks.

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It doesn't matter if it's a small business failure, losing a client or a member of your
organization.

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doesn't matter if it's something huge, like a divorce or an integrity breach failure
sucks.

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And it's what.

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whatever you do with it, man.

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But you can't learn and grow.

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I mean, you've heard all the great athletes.

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We've heard all the great cliches, man.

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You didn't win.

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If you're winning every game by 40 points, you're either playing the wrong teams in the
wrong league, et cetera.

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So until someone kicks your ass or life kicks your ass or business kicks your ass and you
make mistakes, but here's the truth.

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Are you going to let it, you know, drag you down into abyss?

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Are you going to learn and grow from it and say never again?

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And for me, man, it took me years and years and years till I said no more.

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And I think when people say no more, and honestly, when we stop letting people who don't
matter matter, we give so much credence about what other people think.

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And I think there's in our lives, there's really only like 10 people that really matter.

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But also I'm not talking about your stakeholders or your investors or your customers.

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Cause you're going to show up almost any time, all the time for them.

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If you have any idea about what you're doing and know anything about business, if you
don't do that, you're dead.

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But I'm talking about the people in our personal lives, our important relationships, our
intimate relationships, our friendships, et cetera.

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There's really only like 10 of them that you can nurture and maintain at any time.

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And as long as you're impressing your 88 year old self and your 80 year old self, man,
you're good to go.

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But I think people are scared to fail, man.

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And I don't think people like committing failure.

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And I think we got to be, you know, and now it's

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It's, it's on steroids with the social media and media platforms.

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So yeah, I think it's a problem.

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What do you do when that crazy ego pops up, right?

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Because as successful as you are with that big confidence, with the personality and the
skills you have, no doubt you have to fight it sometimes and deal with it.

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all the time, all the time.

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just had a, I'll tell you what I do is God willing learn from it, grow from it.

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And I have surrounded myself.

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You just met one of them.

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One of my colleagues, Erica, she's literally our right hand and legendary.

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We're small.

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The mountain top lodge has a bigger team, but legendary.

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only have seven or eight people at any given time.

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We run a lean mighty team.

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She's my right-hand person, but we have something.

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I hope it's okay to say we have something called the douche factor.

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I'm like, is this overly douchey under douchey?

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Are we being arrogant?

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Are we being humble?

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Are we being firm?

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Are we being clear?

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But I'll tell you this, man.

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We just did a speaking gig for a large consulting firm.

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was a eight hour workshop on leadership clarity.

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I'm sure we'll get into that here in a little bit.

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And we did not, and it's the first time we've ever just got just killed in ratings
afterwards.

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We either got, there was, think a hundred people in the audience or 80 people in the
audience.

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had 45, so that's the best you could get.

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And like 38 ones and a couple of threes.

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And what we realized is the executive team, the sales team, the human resources team, and
the strategists loved us.

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The engineers, the analytics, the consultants, the people who do the day to day, the up
and comers, they didn't relate to it.

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And literally here's one of the comments and you're asking about arrogance.

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They said it was really, really wonderful for the company to invest such a high amount of
money.

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into Tommy for me to listen to Tommy talk about Tommy for eight hours.

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And I'm like, man, that hurts.

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So, you know, it's just one of these funny things that, you know, you've got to take it,
you got to shake it off, you got to learn from it.

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And what we do is look for trends.

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Like what are the trends?

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What could we be getting better?

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Why did we not relate?

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Why are we only relating to the strategy sales and executive team?

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And what can we do different going forward?

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And also brother, I'm in the success business.

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run communities and experiences.

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That's what I do.

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We're not in the coaching business.

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We're in the challenging connecting and helping people conquer their goals business.

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But man, not only are we running these masterminds, running these leadership experiences,
running these retreats, doing these adventure things based around professional, personal

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and leadership success.

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But right now I'm working with two coaches and I'm in a mastermind.

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Hopefully.

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to not only level up my craft, but also stay humble, to stay coachable, to learn and to
hopefully grow.

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So yeah, do I get stuck in diva mode on a regular basis?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And it's hard.

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And I work hard at being curious first, critical second.

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I work hard at being a learner, not a knower.

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But man, and I don't know if you relate to this or not.

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And I hope, I hope y'all not losing your audience, but when you constantly, constantly,
constantly work on yourself.

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and surround yourself with bad-ass and world-class people.

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It's hard.

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You start speaking a different language.

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You start energetically flowing different.

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You start tolerating less.

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Your standards get higher, significantly higher.

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What you will tolerate gets significantly, you know what saying?

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Lower.

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And then you got to go out into an airport and holy cow, how inefficient, not happy,
mediocre that is.

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Or even worse, you come to North Georgia where, thank God, we now have a Publix.

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don't know, that doesn't exist throughout the country, but now we have a Publix.

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But before that, we had a Walmart.

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You want to go see mediocrity at its finest, go to there.

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So yeah, bringing myself back to that kid who had nothing, bringing myself back to the
South Side street kid, bringing myself back to humility.

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As you level up, it gets harder, but surrounding yourself with people like, Hey man,
you're drinking your own colleague.

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That helps.

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But yeah, do I struggle with it?

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A hundred percent.

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Is it easy to find clarity where you're at now?

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Being able to like, you know, drink your own Kool-Aid, but have clarity around what went
wrong at such an elite event like that?

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Yeah, 100%.

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It actually gets easier to sharpen your pencil and it actually gets easier to hone it.

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You know, when you're first as an entrepreneur, you'll kiss every flog, you'll chase every
shiny object, you're doing everything on your own.

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You're just hoping someone will raise their hand and say, Hey man, I want to hang out with
you or Hey, I'd love to buy your product.

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I mean, that's just the way it is.

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If anybody says that's not it.

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It's kind of how it has to be, isn't it?

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Unfortunately.

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But as you get, you know, we're in the clarity business.

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And so our job is to practice what we preach and every year, you know, come up with who we
want to be.

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This is the direction we're going to go.

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Always be willing to pivot because some of the things we innovate or go to doesn't work.

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But as you start honing in, it gets more crystal clear.

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As you get more into it, what you do and who you do it for gets a lot more clear.

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Now you got to constantly be innovating because there's some

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some person coming behind you that could probably do it better, faster.

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And you know they're coming if you're not sharpening the pencil.

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But I think getting crystal clear, holding your standards, hiring and recruiting the right
people, it gets easier, but also who you allow in as we call them members, but who you

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allow in as clients or customers also gets a little easier.

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But man, I'm telling you, there was years and years, were kissing frogs, know, shaking
every hand, kissing every baby, see me, like me.

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Pivoting to this direction, pivoting to that direction, et cetera.

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And it just takes a minute, man.

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But the key is always have a coach, always be willing to sharpen your pencil.

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Even Tiger Woods has someone helping him putting and hitting the ball.

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Right.

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And all the greats have coaches surround yourself with people who will kick you in the
face, but also lift you up.

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And here's the hard part.

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Here's the heart of the part that you probably struggle with too, Mark is finding people
who truly want you to be successful and happy.

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when you become successful and happy, right?

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A lot of people want to just, they're enemies in the making and there's a jealousy bug
that we have and you find out that the hard way.

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And so that's a hard part of life too.

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But again, those are all the failure.

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We can go back to full circle.

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Those are the failures that take you forward, man.

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Anyway, I'll stop talking.

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We'll keep moving on.

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They, what we find is people are rooting for us, all these people in our lives, in our
network, they're rooting for us in a significant way until we actually achieve the goal

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and we start living the life.

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And it's wild and it happens so quick for so many folks that it's a shock when it happens.

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Yeah.

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It's a shock.

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It hurts.

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Yeah.

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I mean, it really hurts when you lose what you think is a good friend, someone you've been
in the trenches with.

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And sometimes you don't know.

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Um, sometimes we're a hundred percent accountable or 80 % accountable six.

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And we just don't know what our part in it was, what their part in it was, where the, the
lack of community.

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Some people are just jealous.

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Some people are just envious.

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Sometimes we're jealous and envious.

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That's something I've been working on a long time too, is not looking down on the people
that stood where I once stood.

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and knowing, I've been there brother, let's do this together.

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But also instead of being envious and jealous of the people that I would love to become,
the people that I work, that I hire to help me be better is let them, you know, they're

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humans, they're flawsome, right?

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They got their flaws and they're awesome.

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They're perfectly imperfect, but also like looking at what they do well, being inspired by
them, rooting for them, knowing that we can get there, but also taking their humanity and

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hopefully we can learn from that and.

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Maybe we can learn not to do that part, but take this part because I think we, we put all
these business leaders and entrepreneurs and we've put them on pedestals.

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They're just human, man.

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So hey, that five or 10 minutes that you just riffed on, it was awesome, but it sounds
like Tommy's just auditing.

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He's self-auditing all the time, everything around him.

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I'm like, oh, that's from the &A and Deloitte world.

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There you go.

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Always auditing, uh

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Always brother.

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are you searching for?

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you searching for a different level of being legendary?

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Do you already think that you've built that you've arrived at being like what what is it
that we're always auditing for just to get better?

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I think, let's start with, do I think I'm legendary?

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Absolutely not.

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And what I love about that word, and we just saw it real time.

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I don't really follow as much stuff as I used to, but I'm telling you, I must've had 10
lawyers and 30 people reach out to me.

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Apparently there's a young man.

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I was very familiar with his father, because I'm from Atlanta, Deon Sanders.

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And I'm going to answer your question.

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His young son, who's probably got the talent of Deon and the look, probably the better
looks and

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you know, I got the whole world at his feet.

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Apparently he started calling himself legendary and apparently his brand is very similar
to our brand.

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That's why people were reaching out to me that doesn't really get, I don't get too fine,
whatever about that.

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But it's interesting when we call ourselves legendary, the world pretty much pooh poohs on
us, right?

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They're like, nah, brother, you're not legendary.

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What I love about the word is it's so aspirational.

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And it's about building a legacy, making an impact and leaving this world with no regrets
and a heart full of gratitude, knowing that we're going to mess up along the way.

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But for me, what I love about the aspirational title of the book and our entire movement
for business leaders and high achievers is that it's given to us.

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And man, you can be known as legendary in your field, legendary in your craft, legendary
in your business, legendary as a man, a father, a wife, a mother, whatever.

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But what I love about the title is it's given to us and you and I both know Mark, we've
had so many people generationally that were legends for all the wrong reasons and legends

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for all the right reasons.

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And so we're seeing real time a young man that maybe put himself on legendary status a
little early.

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I think he's going to be fine with all that talent and backing he's got behind him.

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But you know, for me to say I'm legendary, no, for me, legendary means a lot of things.

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I think it's constant, constant growth.

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sharpening the pencil, the data's out there when people retire and just go to the beach,
the data on 80 % more likely to get put on a prescription drug within a year, 70 % more

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likely to get obese, et cetera, et cetera.

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There's all these statistics and how earlier they die.

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I think it's always finding a purpose throughout life until your last breath, being well
to serve, finding fulfillment, finding significance.

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I think it's about eternal growth because I don't think if you're growing mentally,
physically, spiritually,

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Emotionally you're dying.

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And so I think it's, it's really wanting to make a difference, really wanting to make an
impact.

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Now I'm not saying continue working that 50 to 90 hours.

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There's various ways to make an impact, but I think it's all about knowing who you are,
where you're going, who's coming with you and where you're serving in this.

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And I think when you do that and you make service and impact and value your number one,
think you get closer to the legendary status as opposed to just worrying about your

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status.

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Takes one to know one been there, been there and done that and failed on that front.

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So to me, that's when at the end of the, know, how people talk about you and no one's
going to read our resume.

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They're really not going to do it.

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It's, it's, it's just when legendary is either given to you or not given to you, it's
aspirational for all of us.

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And that's why we titled it that we had like 20 bad titles before that.

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And then someone said legendary, was like, Oh, you have to go get that man.

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Let's put that as the title.

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And so it's really cool.

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Yeah.

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Does, do you feel that clarity is also synonymous with simple?

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Yes and no.

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I think clarity can make it simple if you make it about clarity.

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If you know exactly who you are, your non-negotiables in life, what you would fight for,
what you fight against, what you believe in and do your best.

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And it's super hard to hold yourself to those standards, to those core values, to those
non-negotiables and those principles.

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If you do that, life gets a lot easier.

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Because if you do that, no matter what life throws at you from business failure to
sickness to all the other things that happens to humans, I think that makes it easy.

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I think if you know where you're going, the vision of what you want your future to be and
the more narrow it is, I'm talking about vision and all from personally to professionally

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to relationally, all that.

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I think the more you shoot toward that by knowing who you are and where you're going, I
think it gets easier.

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I think finding your significance slash fulfillment slash purpose.

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know those are buzzwords that are using nonstop these days, but they are important.

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I think knowing where you need to serve during this season, knowing that changes
throughout your life.

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think that makes it easier because when Rome is burning and it always burns, you know,
we're always in season, spring, summer, fall, winter, and winter's hard, right?

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It's a hard season when things, nothing's going right.

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But I think if you make it that simple and you can follow those, which is.

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Sounds simple, but not easy, right?

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I think having that clarity and a tribe around you that will support that clarity makes
all the difficult times.

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Does make it simple, but I have found this and I don't know if you'll relate to this or
not.

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It's hard for people who haven't.

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think on, I think all you've heard the parable of the Mexican fishermen, right?

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This business man comes down, sees the guy fishing, he's bringing in the fish in the boat
and he says, you know, you have wonderful fish, wonderful product.

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You know, if you scaled and brought in more fishermen and all the things you could become
a billionaire and one day you could come back and fish by yourself here and it's really

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already doing it.

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So I think the whole point of that is, is on the request of more simple and easier life,
more freedom.

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think what all of us entrepreneurs, all business leaders and all people who want to make
an impact and who, who identify as high achieving and ambitious.

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I think we want to be free.

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And freedom comes with freedom of time, doing what we do with who we want to do it, when
we want to do it, but it also comes with resources.

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But a lot of us, including me, you know, then all of a sudden you're pivoting into the
hotel restaurant industry.

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You go by a second house, then you get a partner up with this person, or you go here, now
you're dealing with lawyers and accountants and M &A and lawsuits and 20 employees and

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they all got their own self-interest and problems and nonsense.

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And we've got our own nonsense.

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becomes super, super complex fast.

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And so I think is it easy to say it gets simpler?

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Depends on what you want simple to be.

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But as our, you know, we all are attracted to whatever our shiny object could be
significant travel.

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could be world-class watches.

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could be cars.

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could be houses, could be status.

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And if we don't say we're chasing status, we're lying a little bit.

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All of us are lying a little bit.

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We all want to be like, me, see me, me, especially in today's world.

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So is it simpler if you know who you are, where you're going, who's coming with you and
who's not coming with you even more importantly, and not letting people who don't matter

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and constantly not chasing the more and when it can become easier.

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I don't know many people who achieve it.

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I right now, if I had to go through our entire membership network of legendary, I think of
all the people we have, maybe two.

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And that how, how cool, how, how interesting is that?

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Right?

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And I'm not one of them, by the way.

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So how fascinating is that that you can identify there's two?

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Why can't we make it simple?

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Just do what they do.

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Yeah.

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So one of them sold the company ended up selling in the bees.

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He ended up having a nine digit exit, but almost like me, and I'm happy to tell my origin
story at any time, but like me almost burned it down in the process.

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And so through he's a

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Valid member, he's been through all of our programs, all of our retreats.

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He's into self-development.

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now is exactly, I mean, he lives his life exactly the way he wants to live his life.

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Starts from a core value standpoint, then a purpose standpoint, and then his family
values.

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And so I think with the economic resources, I think he goes into total give back mode,
investor mode, sitting on a board mode, but he does one, he's constantly reinvesting in

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his family relationships.

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And so he'd be the first to tell you.

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that he almost gave up everything.

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The other guy, so he wasn't always there is the point of that.

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And when he said no more and when he said no more, that's when the company accelerated.

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When he just started being him and not worrying about all the other things and delegating
and bringing people up, that's when his life just took off.

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The other guy went through a horrific, horrific, and we have a lot of women too.

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So I don't want to just, these are the two guys that I know are living the life, man.

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The one guy.

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was a builder, builder, serial entrepreneur comes, both of those guys, by the way, came
from nothing.

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uh Most of our people are first generation entrepreneurs, first generation business
leaders.

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They don't come from money.

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They don't come, they don't have a trust fund.

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So it's interesting.

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That just seems to be.

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Yeah, big misconception in the world that people just won't really visit the truth.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And so the, guy, the other guy who's a dear friend as well, he went through a horrific
divorce that crushed him.

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m

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Stole a soul.

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Stole a soul.

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Yep.

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And in his situation, wasn't the, the, the, I've got to be careful.

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The accountability wasn't really as much on his side.

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If that makes sense, I'll just say it that way, but it killed him.

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And he, goes, I'm going to, worked so hard to build their future, but because of that, he
found his permanent wife.

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He's now had two children with her.

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He's built the entire system.

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He's literally used every system and tool in the world.

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that he only does his one thing.

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He only does one thing and one thing only and everything else outside of him is either
done by another human or automated.

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He has more time than any human being on earth, but he's so damn discerning about who he
spends time with.

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But number one is gonna be his wife, who's also huge at Chick-fil-A, his two kids, that's
one and two.

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And what he does number three, and he's got all the time in the world, but he also does
something that he's also a member of what we do, but he does something that I love.

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Quarterly, he goes and gets away for three days by himself.

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No book only, no phone.

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And he is mapping out what's working, what's not working, stop, start, do.

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This is where I'm going this quarter.

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Here's what I'm going to give up.

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Here's where I'm going to.

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So he's, he is so dialed in.

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What they both have is complete freedom of time.

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and choosing every moment of every day.

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And neither one of them, it's easy to say for the one, but he's really, when he stopped
being motivated by status, achievement, and money, and just started doing his thing, he

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skyrocketed.

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And the other one got crushed and said, I don't want to build something for some, let me,
let me build the life that I want to build with these other people.

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So that's really what they have different than everybody else.

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And here's the thing they didn't do is quit.

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It's easy to quit.

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easy to sell your business.

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See to self-sabotage, it's easy to slow down.

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There's all sorts of things we do as business leaders, as entrepreneurs to just
self-sabotage.

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And they didn't give up.

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They didn't self-sabotage.

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They resilient through it.

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They ate the glass as Elon Musk like to say, and they went through it.

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So man, I'm talking more than I normally talk.

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Listen, I feel like I'm one of the hundred people that I just had to listen to Tommy for
eight hours.

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What the hell?

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You gotta give me the one star rating,

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Um, I have to be better than one star before I can give it to you, man.

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Um, so the most selfless thing we can do is put ourselves first.

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Interesting for somebody to make such a statement like that.

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Yeah.

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I couldn't, it's, it's, it's the number one pillar that everything I and our company has
built on.

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And it's most counterintuitive thing because a lot of people put their kids first, um,
whether they'll admit it or not, business leaders, entrepreneurs and executives put their

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business first, almost the data is the data.

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You know that they say their family, say their friends, they say their kids, the data is
the data.

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I know the data,

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So we put the business first.

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We put a lot of families put their kids first.

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Very little of us put our marriages first.

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But here's the thing, man.

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If we're not leading ourselves first, if we're not whole, if we're living with
insecurities and fears and voices in our head, and we're not leveling up, especially

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mentally and the key to life, man, the key to happiness is mastering your emotions and
mastering your mindset, which is hard.

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Cause you're always fighting against that negative voice.

425
00:27:16,903 --> 00:27:19,053
You're always fighting against your shame monster.

426
00:27:19,053 --> 00:27:21,304
You're fighting against your insecurities.

427
00:27:21,304 --> 00:27:27,226
You're bringing the, the, enemy into your own head, which then goes into everything that
you do.

428
00:27:27,226 --> 00:27:35,398
When you start mastering your mindset, mastering your emotions, finding spiritual
fortitude, but also leveling up your skills, i.e.

429
00:27:35,398 --> 00:27:36,968
your number one asset.

430
00:27:36,988 --> 00:27:38,809
And it's less than an hour a day.

431
00:27:38,809 --> 00:27:43,438
Some of us do more than that because we're in the business, but in less than an hour a
day, which is

432
00:27:43,438 --> 00:27:48,402
2 % of your waking time really, or a little, maybe a little like 2.4%.

433
00:27:48,402 --> 00:28:01,261
But if you work on you every single day, mentally, emotionally, spiritually, and
physically, and you work on you, you show up better, your, how you vibrate, how you show

434
00:28:01,261 --> 00:28:09,457
up in the world, your strength, your self-confidence, your courage, you know, you know
exactly who you are and you're not trying to be someone else.

435
00:28:09,797 --> 00:28:11,138
That to me,

436
00:28:11,242 --> 00:28:21,367
is the number one thing we fail at as leaders is we put everything else, including our
families, our friends, our businesses, our customers in front of, but it, to me, it all

437
00:28:21,367 --> 00:28:23,979
starts with us and it's not the most selfish thing you can do.

438
00:28:23,979 --> 00:28:24,799
It's the most selfless.

439
00:28:24,799 --> 00:28:25,750
That's what I believe.

440
00:28:25,750 --> 00:28:27,026
What do you think Mark?

441
00:28:27,026 --> 00:28:27,596
Well, I don't know.

442
00:28:27,596 --> 00:28:37,562
think it's the metaphor and the analogy of, you know, if they say that you're airplane,
you're the plane you're on loses pressurization and the oxygen mask comes down put yours

443
00:28:37,562 --> 00:28:38,302
on first, right?

444
00:28:38,302 --> 00:28:39,373
Yep.

445
00:28:39,373 --> 00:28:42,394
Because you can't save everybody else if you can't save yourself first.

446
00:28:43,106 --> 00:28:43,366
Correct.

447
00:28:43,366 --> 00:28:44,235
So is that what we're saying here?

448
00:28:44,235 --> 00:28:49,560
Like is that the simplistic old country boy personality I have to hear that and that's
what it means to me?

449
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:50,350
That's it, man.

450
00:28:50,350 --> 00:28:54,192
You couldn't have said it any better yourself, man.

451
00:28:54,432 --> 00:28:56,553
You can't save others if you're weak.

452
00:28:56,553 --> 00:29:01,995
You can't project yourself with courage and self-confidence if you're insecure.

453
00:29:01,995 --> 00:29:05,766
You can't lead from the front if you don't even know how to lead yourself.

454
00:29:05,766 --> 00:29:07,703
And so how you do anything is how you do everything.

455
00:29:07,703 --> 00:29:10,734
I mean, it's the old cliche that's been around for thousands of years.

456
00:29:10,734 --> 00:29:12,274
Yeah, I'd prefer not to be the martyr.

457
00:29:12,274 --> 00:29:14,142
I actually want to live a great life.

458
00:29:14,164 --> 00:29:15,586
I don't want to play the martyr.

459
00:29:15,586 --> 00:29:17,167
No, no.

460
00:29:17,167 --> 00:29:18,989
And martyrs, people pleasing.

461
00:29:18,989 --> 00:29:24,453
It's, um, some say it's selfless, but what do our martyrs have in common?

462
00:29:24,453 --> 00:29:26,735
They, yeah, they die.

463
00:29:26,735 --> 00:29:27,666
Yeah, they die.

464
00:29:27,666 --> 00:29:29,337
And most of them are nothing.

465
00:29:29,337 --> 00:29:36,663
Now there's a couple they, well, three that I know of for sure that they've built billion
person religions around, you know, or close to it.

466
00:29:36,663 --> 00:29:37,386
Right.

467
00:29:37,386 --> 00:29:43,189
Um, that's a whole different topic for probably a different podcast, but you know, martyrs
that's people pleasing.

468
00:29:43,189 --> 00:29:44,590
It's putting other people's first.

469
00:29:44,590 --> 00:29:45,282
It's.

470
00:29:45,282 --> 00:29:53,168
giving your last shirt when you don't have any shirt to give it's, it's filling other
people's battery when your batteries and that just ends in tragedy in so many different

471
00:29:53,168 --> 00:29:53,779
ways, man.

472
00:29:53,779 --> 00:29:55,284
And so many different ways.

473
00:29:55,284 --> 00:29:58,209
another one or you gotta teach them how to fish versus give it to them right?

474
00:29:58,209 --> 00:29:58,873
Amen.

475
00:29:58,873 --> 00:29:59,870
Amen.

476
00:30:00,024 --> 00:30:01,298
The, um...

477
00:30:02,087 --> 00:30:03,924
Back to when you were 19.

478
00:30:06,786 --> 00:30:10,265
Does all this success and who you've become track back to that?

479
00:30:10,265 --> 00:30:11,829
That kid, that boy.

480
00:30:12,246 --> 00:30:26,392
I think it tracks to two and it's interesting and I got to just say this and my sister and
I come from the same family and I'll give you the background without going into all the

481
00:30:26,392 --> 00:30:31,013
details from on the street to definitely inside the home.

482
00:30:31,354 --> 00:30:40,577
There was a significant amount of violence, abuse of every type and kind that was just not
good.

483
00:30:41,066 --> 00:30:42,278
And

484
00:30:42,510 --> 00:30:47,910
I went one way, but really could have been tragic twice.

485
00:30:47,910 --> 00:30:52,550
And I'll talk about that very simplistically so we can go deep into it.

486
00:30:52,550 --> 00:30:56,810
Is my sister within a, with the exception, so I'm 50, let me put it in perspective.

487
00:30:56,810 --> 00:30:59,170
I'm 51, my sister is 61.

488
00:30:59,590 --> 00:31:05,310
She has only been a productive, active member of society about eight to 10 years of her
life.

489
00:31:05,310 --> 00:31:10,296
And she has really struggled in and out of all kinds of things.

490
00:31:10,296 --> 00:31:16,792
problems and, know, and so I don't know, I really, the answer I don't know is why I went
one way and she didn't the other.

491
00:31:16,792 --> 00:31:17,842
I don't, that's the answer.

492
00:31:17,842 --> 00:31:21,656
And if you look at so many families that come from certain circumstances, it typically
happens.

493
00:31:21,656 --> 00:31:22,236
It's interesting.

494
00:31:22,236 --> 00:31:31,634
I don't know the answer there, but because I grew up in around that violence abuse, um,
but I always worked hard in school.

495
00:31:31,634 --> 00:31:33,956
I always had good charisma, which came from my mother.

496
00:31:33,956 --> 00:31:39,070
Um, she had a great qualities and some her brutal qualities, but

497
00:31:39,470 --> 00:31:50,710
At 19 to tell the audience the story is I was the first person in my family projected to
not only go to college, I had full ride scholarships to four or five universities.

498
00:31:50,970 --> 00:32:00,870
I was going to be the first person member of my family to go to college and God willing
graduate because I come from a lower middle-class blue collar part of the world.

499
00:32:01,230 --> 00:32:09,590
And instead of that at 18 years old, when I'd just gotten out of high school, I became
that violence and abuse.

500
00:32:09,826 --> 00:32:13,958
committed a violent crime and all those scholarships were revoked.

501
00:32:13,958 --> 00:32:17,109
And I was looking at two felonies and seven years in prison.

502
00:32:17,269 --> 00:32:20,790
And it's important to go to the second fall as well.

503
00:32:21,751 --> 00:32:24,352
Luckily, I was sentenced to two years.

504
00:32:24,352 --> 00:32:26,193
It was dropped to two heavy misdemeanors.

505
00:32:26,193 --> 00:32:29,254
I was sentenced to two years with five deferred.

506
00:32:29,254 --> 00:32:32,775
So I did spend my 19th birthday incarcerated in a cage.

507
00:32:32,856 --> 00:32:34,396
Cool thing happened, man.

508
00:32:34,396 --> 00:32:39,148
Some crazy stuff happened in there, but the amazing thing that happened in there was

509
00:32:39,148 --> 00:32:46,554
An African-American gentleman in his forties, I'm 18, white kid, decided to cross racial
lines and he called me Youngblood.

510
00:32:46,554 --> 00:32:47,221
His name was Tony.

511
00:32:47,221 --> 00:32:48,045
He called me Youngblood.

512
00:32:48,045 --> 00:32:50,968
He's like, Youngblood, you're not going to become a, I don't know why you're here.

513
00:32:50,968 --> 00:32:53,689
He knew why I was there, but you're not coming back.

514
00:32:53,710 --> 00:32:58,874
So with his accountability, his mentorship, his love, when I got out, this is real quick.

515
00:32:58,934 --> 00:33:04,829
I went and worked for a nuclear waste container factory for $6 during the day, community
college at night.

516
00:33:04,829 --> 00:33:06,480
And by the way, that work was brutal.

517
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,172
It cost me a back surgery and a hernia surgery.

518
00:33:09,250 --> 00:33:18,323
Community college at night ended up at the University of Georgia, graduated with honors
from with accounting and hired by Deloitte, which is one of my things I'm most proud of is

519
00:33:18,323 --> 00:33:29,796
I went from not the greatest neighborhood to a cage to, to a community college, to a
factory, to the University of Georgia and graduated and got hired by Deloitte in three

520
00:33:29,796 --> 00:33:30,816
years.

521
00:33:32,336 --> 00:33:37,238
No, and I just, I just won an award for a.

522
00:33:37,238 --> 00:33:38,540
uh

523
00:33:38,540 --> 00:33:41,553
Distinguished alumni award at Georgia for accounting.

524
00:33:41,553 --> 00:33:44,632
And I told the story that I was so embarrassed to tell for some of years.

525
00:33:44,632 --> 00:33:51,220
And I was like, Hey, before any of you start knocking Deloitte's hiring policies, all of
you dudes tried to hire me.

526
00:33:53,362 --> 00:33:56,684
So real quick, fast forward.

527
00:33:56,685 --> 00:34:05,812
I thought if I just out hustled everybody out, achieved everybody got to the top of the
game, made partner, got in the corner office, made all the money, which I did.

528
00:34:05,890 --> 00:34:08,310
And so fast forward to 36.

529
00:34:08,333 --> 00:34:11,253
I've been recruited out of Deloitte to other firms.

530
00:34:11,293 --> 00:34:17,093
I've got the corner office, the cuff links, the big watch, the pretty wife, the money, the
salary, the title.

531
00:34:17,193 --> 00:34:30,433
But brother, I I never Mark ever dealt with those demons that rage and insecurity, the I'm
not enoughs, the things, the deep dark secrets that I had in my brain that I just really

532
00:34:30,433 --> 00:34:32,213
thought I was a piece of garbage.

533
00:34:32,213 --> 00:34:35,293
And so, cause that's what was taught to me, right?

534
00:34:35,293 --> 00:34:36,573
But I made the choices.

535
00:34:36,573 --> 00:34:37,484
I'm going to hope there's a

536
00:34:37,484 --> 00:34:39,847
personal accountability and extreme ownership here, man.

537
00:34:39,847 --> 00:34:41,934
And I know that was one of your former podcasts.

538
00:34:41,934 --> 00:34:43,260
It's enjoyable.

539
00:34:43,260 --> 00:34:50,668
But man, I turn, I swear to you when, when it didn't light me up, I had to go find
something else that lit me up unconsciously, right?

540
00:34:50,668 --> 00:34:53,901
I'm just running because I don't, I'm like, why am I still unhappy?

541
00:34:53,901 --> 00:34:55,433
Why am I so mad?

542
00:34:55,433 --> 00:34:59,417
Why do I have in a room of thousand people and you could pay me whatever and I'd still be
upset.

543
00:34:59,417 --> 00:35:00,222
Cause what most

544
00:35:00,222 --> 00:35:03,222
would say in that moment is, dude, what are you bitching about?

545
00:35:03,222 --> 00:35:05,542
There's a lot of people that would trade our life for that.

546
00:35:05,774 --> 00:35:07,218
Totally, totally.

547
00:35:07,218 --> 00:35:10,375
And you're probably dealing with that too because you're an intelligent smart guy.

548
00:35:10,375 --> 00:35:12,169
You're like, what is going on in this world?

549
00:35:12,169 --> 00:35:15,304
It had to be massively confusing, like a cyclone going on.

550
00:35:15,310 --> 00:35:17,770
It was, it was, I felt alone.

551
00:35:17,770 --> 00:35:18,650
felt odd.

552
00:35:18,650 --> 00:35:19,390
felt like a freak.

553
00:35:19,390 --> 00:35:23,490
Why do I have these thoughts and rage and why I have these desires and insecurities?

554
00:35:23,490 --> 00:35:24,970
Why can't I be happy?

555
00:35:24,970 --> 00:35:27,750
I've married the most safe, beautiful woman.

556
00:35:27,750 --> 00:35:31,689
Why am I sabotage, trying to sabotage that in every way known to man?

557
00:35:31,689 --> 00:35:37,570
And brother, I lived the Wolf, like that Wolf of Wall Street, people love it and they,
they they're entertained by it.

558
00:35:37,570 --> 00:35:38,610
Not me, man.

559
00:35:38,610 --> 00:35:40,910
I look at that and say, that's real.

560
00:35:40,990 --> 00:35:44,750
I lived it and it almost cost me my relationship.

561
00:35:44,876 --> 00:35:47,788
My whole business, I was partner at the firm.

562
00:35:47,788 --> 00:35:49,669
It almost cost me my life.

563
00:35:49,750 --> 00:35:58,506
And I ended up in a ditch in Atlanta after doing probably some massive deal somewhere and
half-dressed, looking at the sky, didn't know how I got there.

564
00:35:58,506 --> 00:36:01,177
And I'm like, man, I tell you what, no more.

565
00:36:01,218 --> 00:36:02,799
No more am I going to live a lie.

566
00:36:02,799 --> 00:36:04,350
No more am I going to be angry.

567
00:36:04,350 --> 00:36:07,542
No more am I going to be sad and sabotage.

568
00:36:07,582 --> 00:36:13,410
And I actually looked around Mark and I'm like, you everybody's running out of my life.

569
00:36:13,410 --> 00:36:14,852
I got a wake of destruction.

570
00:36:14,852 --> 00:36:19,257
looked successful on the outside, but no one really likes me and everybody's running from
me.

571
00:36:19,257 --> 00:36:20,929
There's only one common denominator here.

572
00:36:20,929 --> 00:36:22,660
That's me.

573
00:36:25,024 --> 00:36:26,625
Maybe I'm the issue.

574
00:36:27,483 --> 00:36:28,685
That's the moment.

575
00:36:28,685 --> 00:36:32,369
Everything I've learned in life in these 46 years, that's the moment.

576
00:36:32,991 --> 00:36:35,494
When you're like, the common denominator is me.

577
00:36:36,098 --> 00:36:37,679
And I just said, more, man.

578
00:36:37,679 --> 00:36:43,203
And from that moment on, I just said, I don't care what it takes.

579
00:36:43,203 --> 00:36:54,791
So from therapists to business coaches, to life coaches, to personal development, from
books to talking to wonderful people like you, I've just made personal, professional

580
00:36:54,791 --> 00:36:58,624
leadership development therapy and just being better.

581
00:36:58,624 --> 00:37:04,558
And every single day I've nicknamed my alter ego who wants to burn Rome down.

582
00:37:04,558 --> 00:37:05,378
Ike.

583
00:37:05,486 --> 00:37:14,686
Every day I kicks up, was, he just wants to come in and destroy something or someone
including really me, but he wants to do it via other people.

584
00:37:14,686 --> 00:37:19,226
And then I also had this thing called the Tommy go round when I get in my spiral and I
can't get out of it.

585
00:37:19,226 --> 00:37:19,366
Right.

586
00:37:19,366 --> 00:37:21,826
I'm like, that's when the voice is taken over.

587
00:37:21,865 --> 00:37:34,586
But every day, that's why to me, this I'm so, if you asked me my why it's because this
work saved my life and to take it a step further into others.

588
00:37:34,730 --> 00:37:45,318
Our goal at legendary is really to connect them with people like them, to challenge them
to grow in all facets, great content and experiences and retreats and all the things to

589
00:37:45,318 --> 00:37:46,318
help them conquer their goals.

590
00:37:46,318 --> 00:37:49,891
But more importantly, it's because takes one to know one.

591
00:37:49,891 --> 00:37:53,744
was a disaster when I was a kid and then got it right professionally.

592
00:37:53,744 --> 00:37:57,066
And then I was uh world-class professionally and then.

593
00:37:57,208 --> 00:38:02,030
tried to burn it all down and all of us have our demons and insecurities and fears.

594
00:38:02,030 --> 00:38:03,329
And we're not the therapy business.

595
00:38:03,329 --> 00:38:11,374
We're in the success business, but there's formulas and tools and tactics and surrounding
yourself for like-minded people who are just like you.

596
00:38:11,374 --> 00:38:15,506
So my why is A, saved my life and continues to save my life.

597
00:38:15,506 --> 00:38:24,310
But B is we want to help people not only be elite in what they do and in their leadership,
but more importantly, God willing,

598
00:38:24,310 --> 00:38:32,353
as best as you can be elite in who you are and how you impact your most important
relationships and the legacy and impact you make.

599
00:38:32,353 --> 00:38:34,915
And so that's the really the origin story.

600
00:38:34,915 --> 00:38:38,096
So legendary, the book came from pain.

601
00:38:39,057 --> 00:38:45,680
and then I think it became popular because it's simple and executable.

602
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:46,731
It's not theory.

603
00:38:46,731 --> 00:38:50,114
This is stuff I've lived and biohacked.

604
00:38:50,114 --> 00:38:56,220
and performed and you know, I probably take 15, 20 % of the book out now and replayed it
with new stuff I've learned.

605
00:38:56,220 --> 00:38:58,381
You know, it's been five years, so don't know.

606
00:38:58,441 --> 00:38:59,064
Will you do that?

607
00:38:59,064 --> 00:39:00,440
Because that's normally what happens.

608
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:01,571
Yeah, a hundred percent.

609
00:39:01,571 --> 00:39:07,825
Probably, probably either this year or next, because there's stuff we take out and like,
Hey, you know, I don't really see it that way anymore.

610
00:39:07,825 --> 00:39:10,017
And here's some stuff I've learned and tweaked that way.

611
00:39:10,017 --> 00:39:16,981
But it also has stories that like simple short stories of others that executed on those
particular things.

612
00:39:16,981 --> 00:39:18,182
And so I think it's tactical.

613
00:39:18,182 --> 00:39:18,716
think it's fun.

614
00:39:18,716 --> 00:39:19,473
I think it's short.

615
00:39:19,473 --> 00:39:20,784
think that's important.

616
00:39:20,784 --> 00:39:26,368
And so it's, it's, it's a lifestyle that I aspire to live by.

617
00:39:26,368 --> 00:39:29,129
I've written a book that I can never live up to ever.

618
00:39:29,612 --> 00:39:31,583
Damn, we work our butts off for it.

619
00:39:31,583 --> 00:39:37,766
you, all fair, and this is irrelevant, but you talk to a young lady who is a rock star in
our practice.

620
00:39:37,766 --> 00:39:40,578
I mean, she's our second in command.

621
00:39:40,578 --> 00:39:50,374
watching the, and her story is hers to tell, but watching how elite she was when we hired
her, but how broken behind the scenes, we didn't know.

622
00:39:50,374 --> 00:39:57,238
But she has literally dived in to the work we teach and our masterminds and our, she does
the work.

623
00:39:57,270 --> 00:40:03,433
And watching her over the last three and a half years just escalate in every single way is
just, it's all wing.

624
00:40:03,433 --> 00:40:05,313
And that's our why, man.

625
00:40:05,313 --> 00:40:09,805
And that's our, and watching those two guys we talked about earlier coming from what they
did and now who they are.

626
00:40:09,805 --> 00:40:20,160
And you know, we're, we focus mostly 60 to 70 % on business, but that 30 % of life, we
don't take care of that and clean that side of street up and get real bad real fast, man.

627
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:21,050
In my world it did.

628
00:40:21,050 --> 00:40:24,662
So I hope, I hope people can do it without the pain that I experienced.

629
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:26,550
Hey, thanks for tuning in.

630
00:40:26,611 --> 00:40:32,034
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631
00:40:32,034 --> 00:40:34,495
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632
00:40:34,495 --> 00:40:35,466
Isn't that the goal?

633
00:40:35,466 --> 00:40:42,240
What you're building and some other people are building is you're trying to circumvent
that and maybe shorten the curve and make it less painful.

634
00:40:42,240 --> 00:40:45,842
The big question I would have is like, it possible?

635
00:40:45,842 --> 00:40:51,255
Maybe you're, maybe you're just the buddy and the friend and the network to be there as
they go through it, to work through this.

636
00:40:51,255 --> 00:40:53,870
Maybe that's the case to say, keep going, but

637
00:40:53,870 --> 00:40:55,261
There's all these unanswered questions.

638
00:40:55,261 --> 00:40:56,206
ah

639
00:40:56,206 --> 00:40:57,087
Those are

640
00:40:57,846 --> 00:40:58,156
Right?

641
00:40:58,156 --> 00:40:59,027
Yeah.

642
00:40:59,027 --> 00:41:07,730
Hey, listen, man, I debate them in my mind at sometimes trying to figure out, know, I'm a
guy who feels I feel good in my own skin now in life.

643
00:41:07,730 --> 00:41:18,525
I've for the most part, I pretty, I pretty much have, but that's through just massive
depth of just evaluating like who you are and what you're doing and what this thing is.

644
00:41:18,525 --> 00:41:25,058
Sometimes I'm like, man, are we really on a revolving cylinder that the tides come and go
with the moon?

645
00:41:25,106 --> 00:41:27,668
And if it is a big bang, well, what was before that?

646
00:41:27,668 --> 00:41:36,756
And if religion is what was there's so many questions that there's mysteries to all of
them that I believe that are going to be unanswered in this physical form where we're

647
00:41:36,756 --> 00:41:36,966
here.

648
00:41:36,966 --> 00:41:38,137
So it's like, what do we do with this?

649
00:41:38,137 --> 00:41:40,369
What do we do with the mindset, the purpose?

650
00:41:40,369 --> 00:41:46,084
How do we get through this life and feel like we're making a difference that we can smile
every day through the challenge and struggle?

651
00:41:46,805 --> 00:41:48,590
they're, they're, deep questions.

652
00:41:48,590 --> 00:41:55,470
They're real deep and they're getting deeper because you talk about people who didn't have
the technology.

653
00:41:55,630 --> 00:42:03,610
Really, if you did, and you probably researched this stuff too, it's the best it's ever
been from equality to access to knowledge and food and less war.

654
00:42:03,610 --> 00:42:07,650
doesn't, you know, with mass media and social media, doesn't seem like it, but it's the
best time ever.

655
00:42:08,510 --> 00:42:08,990
it's.

656
00:42:08,990 --> 00:42:13,904
I think Warren Buffett talks about, he talks about, you know, wealthy people from 150
years ago.

657
00:42:13,904 --> 00:42:20,758
And he said, the most destitute of our society now have a better wife than the most
wealthy person 150 years ago.

658
00:42:20,758 --> 00:42:21,602
Yep.

659
00:42:21,602 --> 00:42:23,707
I think they were happier though.

660
00:42:26,338 --> 00:42:27,021
Ha

661
00:42:27,404 --> 00:42:28,977
Why do you think it is?

662
00:42:28,977 --> 00:42:31,392
They felt like they had it the best?

663
00:42:31,788 --> 00:42:40,935
I think they were happier because they weren't inundated with second by second by, you
know, we live in a casino, man.

664
00:42:40,935 --> 00:42:42,025
Yeah.

665
00:42:42,488 --> 00:42:44,776
So basically you felt like they're in control of it all.

666
00:42:44,782 --> 00:42:56,422
They didn't have things constantly beating on their ears, their mind, their eyes, their
everything from dings on our phone to social media, to email, to texts, too many options.

667
00:42:56,422 --> 00:43:04,842
mean, you can go and we can literally look and there's 600, if you're going to live in a
city, there's 600 food options and 6,000 of these options.

668
00:43:04,842 --> 00:43:09,402
And it was just, you didn't have those options and you had each other and you didn't have
distractions.

669
00:43:09,402 --> 00:43:10,018
And it's just.

670
00:43:10,018 --> 00:43:15,421
that we live in a world of, you it's not either weapons of mass destruction as weapons of
mass distraction.

671
00:43:15,662 --> 00:43:22,717
And I think we get lost and it's just constant dopamine hits and comparison and all the
things.

672
00:43:22,717 --> 00:43:30,933
And I think it's, it, it really starts rewiring our hearts, minds and brains to
negativity, fear, shame, and jealous and envy.

673
00:43:30,933 --> 00:43:32,684
But there's also a lot of power to it.

674
00:43:32,684 --> 00:43:37,097
And so it's, we can make the choice to cut it off and reconnect or not.

675
00:43:37,097 --> 00:43:38,744
So we'll see what we do with it.

676
00:43:38,744 --> 00:43:39,356
Yeah, right.

677
00:43:39,356 --> 00:43:42,045
Yeah, death by a thousand cuts is what it sounds like.

678
00:43:46,442 --> 00:43:49,232
Is nothing truly impossible.

679
00:43:51,698 --> 00:43:53,720
You know, the answer is I don't know.

680
00:43:54,321 --> 00:43:57,704
I don't know that.

681
00:43:57,704 --> 00:44:00,407
We're not using X percentage of our brain.

682
00:44:00,407 --> 00:44:01,828
I don't know what it is.

683
00:44:02,389 --> 00:44:04,501
We still haven't figured out energetic soul.

684
00:44:04,501 --> 00:44:09,276
They're doing these sciences on your heart has memory and wisdom.

685
00:44:09,276 --> 00:44:13,520
We've always said that in other ways, intuition, soul, gut, all the things.

686
00:44:13,721 --> 00:44:15,416
Our brain is untapped.

687
00:44:15,416 --> 00:44:17,307
We're thinking about colonizing Mars.

688
00:44:17,307 --> 00:44:23,048
Hell, we were using horses 150 years ago and before that there was not wheels at one time.

689
00:44:23,228 --> 00:44:26,249
So I don't really know the answer to that.

690
00:44:26,249 --> 00:44:33,451
I know the people who prove the impossible possible are really the people that we aspire
and look up to.

691
00:44:33,451 --> 00:44:36,326
We still haven't got the theory of relativity and time.

692
00:44:36,326 --> 00:44:43,094
I just recently read Einstein's uh autobiography by Walter Isaacson.

693
00:44:44,034 --> 00:44:45,374
We still don't understand time.

694
00:44:45,374 --> 00:44:46,534
We don't understand the soul.

695
00:44:46,534 --> 00:44:48,055
We don't understand depth.

696
00:44:48,055 --> 00:44:48,886
We're untapped.

697
00:44:48,886 --> 00:44:49,696
We're unmatched.

698
00:44:49,696 --> 00:44:52,657
AI is coming faster, bigger, stronger.

699
00:44:52,657 --> 00:44:55,337
Can do things that we've never thought possible.

700
00:44:55,398 --> 00:44:57,858
And what are we going to do in our brains for that?

701
00:44:57,858 --> 00:45:08,302
we going to, you know, there's, so many, but I know every, every time somebody somewhere
said it was impossible, somebody hands them their beer and say, watch this.

702
00:45:09,071 --> 00:45:12,658
It's it's it's it's or Roger Banish with a four-minute mile, right?

703
00:45:12,658 --> 00:45:14,761
There's just so many of these stories.

704
00:45:15,905 --> 00:45:16,196
Right?

705
00:45:16,196 --> 00:45:17,549
It was it couldn't do it and then he did it.

706
00:45:17,549 --> 00:45:20,078
What a hundred people did it over the next year or two or something.

707
00:45:20,078 --> 00:45:20,798
Yeah.

708
00:45:20,798 --> 00:45:21,198
Yeah.

709
00:45:21,198 --> 00:45:21,598
Yeah.

710
00:45:21,598 --> 00:45:32,378
And, and whether you like her or not, you know, that's, that's probably the biggest one
that I know of right now, because eons went by and people, thought you'd die over.

711
00:45:32,378 --> 00:45:34,518
And then all of sudden, how many did it in that one year?

712
00:45:34,518 --> 00:45:36,158
It's crazy.

713
00:45:36,218 --> 00:45:46,798
Um, but you know, you hear of all these stories of rags to riches, the hero's journey, for
lack of a better word, you know, Oprah was told her voice stinks and she was terrible at

714
00:45:46,798 --> 00:45:47,598
what she does.

715
00:45:47,598 --> 00:45:49,198
mean, like really.

716
00:45:49,922 --> 00:45:51,165
Michael Jordan's

717
00:45:52,486 --> 00:46:00,801
I invoked her and I think Bezos last night um in his career night, you know, one of the
companies I run is always recruiting and trying to find great people and to change their

718
00:46:00,801 --> 00:46:01,031
life.

719
00:46:01,031 --> 00:46:03,923
And they say, Hey, will you show up and share the passion and the reality of the business?

720
00:46:03,923 --> 00:46:12,618
And, and so I invoked her and Bezos, said, you know, I don't know if Jeff Bezos and Oprah
Winfrey, I used them because they're, they're on complete opposite ends of the spectrum on

721
00:46:12,618 --> 00:46:17,180
how we judge people these days from gender, from color of their skin, from their journey.

722
00:46:17,180 --> 00:46:20,922
But, um, I said, I don't know if they're better.

723
00:46:21,368 --> 00:46:30,424
than us as humans, I just know that they just took massive action and didn't quit and
believed in something so big.

724
00:46:30,424 --> 00:46:35,627
And they probably had a pain threshold that was above almost everyone else.

725
00:46:35,748 --> 00:46:40,041
There's just these simple things like Bezos says, give me 60 or 70 % of the information.

726
00:46:40,041 --> 00:46:41,011
I'll make a decision.

727
00:46:41,011 --> 00:46:49,297
I'm around people every day that want 99 and a hundred percent of the information before
they make the decision to ensure that the rocket isn't going to blow up, which is NAS what

728
00:46:49,297 --> 00:46:51,394
NASA did versus what Elon does.

729
00:46:51,394 --> 00:46:55,717
And we have to get over this political stuff about saying Elon Musk and it just evokes
people.

730
00:46:55,717 --> 00:47:00,241
18 months ago, they loved him because he created electric cars and Tesla and stuff.

731
00:47:00,241 --> 00:47:04,724
But if you look at him, we would see those rockets go up in the air and blow up.

732
00:47:04,724 --> 00:47:07,346
And we looked at those as failures, society did.

733
00:47:07,346 --> 00:47:09,707
He looked at it as learning and we're taking action fast.

734
00:47:09,707 --> 00:47:13,670
And so what they did, they would accomplish in a year what it would take NASA a decade to
do.

735
00:47:13,910 --> 00:47:22,975
And all of those people, and they would tell you this, um some of them, at a certain brain
point, think EQ gets lost a little bit.

736
00:47:22,975 --> 00:47:31,820
I mean, we saw it in Jobs, his emotional intelligence, and not until he realized he really
started finding it toward the end.

737
00:47:31,841 --> 00:47:34,602
think Elon would tell you he struggles with that.

738
00:47:34,936 --> 00:47:38,779
I can tell you, David, I can know for a fact that David Coggins would tell you he
struggles with that.

739
00:47:38,779 --> 00:47:41,272
And these people are elite, elite, elite, elite.

740
00:47:41,272 --> 00:47:43,764
so many physically, mentally, they don't give up.

741
00:47:43,764 --> 00:47:44,974
have grit.

742
00:47:46,316 --> 00:47:46,866
Correct.

743
00:47:46,866 --> 00:47:54,582
In all the different ways, but I guarantee you, Mark, everyone listening myself, they
would tell you that there's things that we have that they don't vice versa.

744
00:47:54,603 --> 00:47:57,806
I think it's leveraging people, leveraging their vision, legendary.

745
00:47:57,806 --> 00:48:03,170
think focus, focus, focus, focus, not giving up resilience, being willing to pivot.

746
00:48:03,564 --> 00:48:13,057
They would all, they're not, they're definitely, I guarantee you from an academic
standpoint, Elon and Steve are much smarter than, much smarter than me.

747
00:48:13,137 --> 00:48:23,300
But maybe on the EQ front, the leadership front, the empathy front, and maybe in certain
other ways I might be, but you know, they, they found ways to, to ignite people.

748
00:48:23,361 --> 00:48:28,142
if you look at all those people, how long did it take them, man?

749
00:48:28,302 --> 00:48:35,702
Long time, it's not just a lot of people track this in years, but we should track it as
hours spent on it within the year as well.

750
00:48:36,222 --> 00:48:38,342
The urgency and the pace that they've done it.

751
00:48:38,342 --> 00:48:44,422
A lot of them, would say they've compacted most people's hundred years of learning into
maybe 10 or 15 years.

752
00:48:44,422 --> 00:48:52,322
And the reason why they look so different is because the average person, if they have this
normal life where we started working over early twenties, and then we're to work till mid

753
00:48:52,322 --> 00:48:56,834
sixties or in the sixties, they never gained the experience in that 50, 40 or 50 years of
work.

754
00:48:56,834 --> 00:49:00,762
that those elite people were talking about did in 10 years because of the complete all-in
bottom.

755
00:49:00,762 --> 00:49:02,572
That's how my mind processes it.

756
00:49:02,572 --> 00:49:04,166
Yeah, I couldn't agree more.

757
00:49:04,166 --> 00:49:05,788
think you're spot on.

758
00:49:05,869 --> 00:49:14,105
And I think, you know, I have zero desire because we use the billionaire word, like it's
water.

759
00:49:14,190 --> 00:49:15,162
That's just an outcome.

760
00:49:15,162 --> 00:49:17,117
That's just an outcome of what happens.

761
00:49:17,274 --> 00:49:17,954
Agreed.

762
00:49:17,954 --> 00:49:20,434
think people, there's what, 700 or 900 of them?

763
00:49:20,434 --> 00:49:21,754
There's not many.

764
00:49:21,934 --> 00:49:26,394
Out of 300 million people in the US, worldwide, I don't know what the number, it doesn't
really matter.

765
00:49:26,394 --> 00:49:29,354
That is an outcome and it is a choice they've made.

766
00:49:29,354 --> 00:49:32,174
And once they got to a certain point, they decided to keep going.

767
00:49:32,734 --> 00:49:39,414
I think you and all of us need to really define success and happiness as a journey.

768
00:49:39,414 --> 00:49:41,214
come and go, life happens, right?

769
00:49:41,214 --> 00:49:44,726
But what is success in your life?

770
00:49:44,726 --> 00:49:52,268
in your home, in your business, in your career, if you work for somebody else or if you're
an executive or an entrepreneur, like what is, what do you want?

771
00:49:52,268 --> 00:49:52,876
And it could.

772
00:49:52,876 --> 00:49:55,111
full spectrum of that and I'm interrupting for a reason.

773
00:49:55,111 --> 00:49:55,402
Yeah.

774
00:49:55,402 --> 00:50:01,922
Because we we we try to answer this question the same way for every human but it's like,
hey, is there a wide spectrum of what that is?

775
00:50:01,922 --> 00:50:02,192
Yeah.

776
00:50:02,192 --> 00:50:04,904
Oh, huge, huge spectrum.

777
00:50:04,904 --> 00:50:06,184
And there's no right or wrong.

778
00:50:06,184 --> 00:50:09,586
You know, we, look for black and white right or wrong.

779
00:50:09,586 --> 00:50:14,809
These questions of purpose and success are in your core values.

780
00:50:14,809 --> 00:50:16,560
They're all soul level stuff.

781
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:18,521
There's no pass fail, right, wrong.

782
00:50:18,521 --> 00:50:25,410
And you can change, you know, most of the time you're deep, deep stuff probably is not
going to change.

783
00:50:25,410 --> 00:50:28,462
But what you want to do, where you want to go, who you want to do it.

784
00:50:28,462 --> 00:50:33,576
You know, you get a little season and mud on your tires and you get scuffs on your knees
and you've failed.

785
00:50:33,576 --> 00:50:37,379
And you're like, you know, maybe I don't want to do it that way anymore.

786
00:50:37,379 --> 00:50:39,670
Maybe I want to work toward this and not that.

787
00:50:39,670 --> 00:50:41,141
And that's okay.

788
00:50:41,342 --> 00:50:42,993
You know, there's no right or wrong.

789
00:50:42,993 --> 00:50:44,854
Danny, there's no formula to any of this.

790
00:50:44,854 --> 00:50:47,418
Now there is tactics and tools and habits.

791
00:50:47,418 --> 00:50:50,378
within legendary, that's the stuff that people are working through with you, right?

792
00:50:50,378 --> 00:50:58,118
Like there has to be systems that you've built that helps people arrive at these
conclusions and figure out a little bit, maybe more about their intimate why and their

793
00:50:58,118 --> 00:50:59,878
purpose maybe, what's happened.

794
00:51:00,014 --> 00:51:00,474
Yep.

795
00:51:00,474 --> 00:51:01,794
Couldn't agree more brother.

796
00:51:01,794 --> 00:51:07,554
And Jim Rohn said something a long time ago and I can't unhear it yet.

797
00:51:07,614 --> 00:51:07,940
He, he.

798
00:51:07,940 --> 00:51:10,036
personal philosophy means everything.

799
00:51:10,752 --> 00:51:12,323
I love what he said.

800
00:51:12,323 --> 00:51:21,311
you know, I, about one Sunday a month, I get to go to this one of my holy places and just
listen to some Jim Rohn early morning with a of coffee.

801
00:51:21,311 --> 00:51:25,144
It's one of my things, but I listened to it over and over and over again.

802
00:51:25,144 --> 00:51:34,341
I'm like, man, if I, but he says the reason I want everyone, every, and he means this,
everyone to make a million dollars a year.

803
00:51:34,502 --> 00:51:37,284
So they know who they have to become to do it.

804
00:51:37,284 --> 00:51:38,805
And I'm like, whew.

805
00:51:41,662 --> 00:51:54,126
Why do you think, why do you think he was, uh, you know, had a guy on a few months ago
that, you know, Tony Robbins was influenced by Jim Rohn.

806
00:51:54,126 --> 00:52:01,208
had a guy on named Todd Herman recently who hoped, who helped Kobe develop the alter ego
of the black mamba.

807
00:52:01,208 --> 00:52:03,368
He actually was on the phone when Kobe was going through that.

808
00:52:03,368 --> 00:52:10,220
uh but he studied directly next to and right under Jim Rohn and

809
00:52:10,422 --> 00:52:12,004
What do we think from the outside?

810
00:52:12,004 --> 00:52:16,911
For me that I wasn't fortunate enough to meet him, didn't make the intentional mindset
stuff to go be around a guy like that.

811
00:52:16,911 --> 00:52:21,157
um Why is he so special to us?

812
00:52:21,218 --> 00:52:22,219
Why do you think?

813
00:52:22,219 --> 00:52:24,042
Is it his style of communication?

814
00:52:24,042 --> 00:52:25,855
Is how he breaks things down simplistic?

815
00:52:25,855 --> 00:52:27,265
What do you think it is?

816
00:52:27,436 --> 00:52:30,327
that and yes, I think it's his pain.

817
00:52:30,587 --> 00:52:40,350
think his willingness and open up maybe one of the first, can't quote that he is the
first, maybe one of the first to talk about his failings.

818
00:52:40,350 --> 00:52:42,010
He didn't get it right.

819
00:52:42,010 --> 00:52:43,530
What he works on to study.

820
00:52:43,530 --> 00:52:45,671
I think he's funny as hell.

821
00:52:46,751 --> 00:52:48,832
I think he became elite at his craft.

822
00:52:48,832 --> 00:52:50,642
I think he practiced, practiced, practiced.

823
00:52:50,642 --> 00:52:53,103
I think he actually walked the walk and practiced what he preached.

824
00:52:53,103 --> 00:52:53,973
I think he was humble.

825
00:52:53,973 --> 00:52:56,492
um

826
00:52:56,492 --> 00:52:58,425
Because he didn't conquer all the things he talked about.

827
00:52:58,425 --> 00:52:59,756
That's what's so fascinating.

828
00:52:59,756 --> 00:53:00,547
Even close.

829
00:53:00,547 --> 00:53:00,896
Yeah.

830
00:53:00,896 --> 00:53:01,588
Not even close.

831
00:53:01,588 --> 00:53:02,318
And he admitted it.

832
00:53:02,318 --> 00:53:02,939
Yeah.

833
00:53:02,939 --> 00:53:04,410
I think it was a style.

834
00:53:04,410 --> 00:53:15,068
think we started lightening up on owning failure and screwing up and not being perfect and
trying to live up to something that no one can ever live up to.

835
00:53:15,068 --> 00:53:19,512
And I also think he disseminated, I mean, there were so many before him too.

836
00:53:19,512 --> 00:53:23,034
He just did it funny, sexy and in mass form.

837
00:53:23,034 --> 00:53:25,206
Whereas the Napoleon Hills.

838
00:53:25,538 --> 00:53:28,760
The, a man thinketh, I can't think of his name off the top of my head.

839
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:33,102
There were so many great people before them that gave the formula.

840
00:53:33,102 --> 00:53:35,273
He made it simple, sexy, funny.

841
00:53:35,273 --> 00:53:36,464
He executed it.

842
00:53:36,464 --> 00:53:37,565
He did it.

843
00:53:37,565 --> 00:53:40,866
He added in things that he had done and habits that he had done.

844
00:53:40,866 --> 00:53:43,112
he, it's not just Tony.

845
00:53:43,112 --> 00:53:46,023
mean, Tony's the biggest name there is out there right or wrong.

846
00:53:46,023 --> 00:53:47,950
I mean, he's, he's touched so many lives.

847
00:53:47,950 --> 00:53:52,673
I think Darren Hardy was a direct descendant on the success and business side.

848
00:53:52,673 --> 00:53:54,554
He's pretty, pretty darn good too.

849
00:53:54,554 --> 00:53:55,192
And so.

850
00:53:55,192 --> 00:53:58,380
Pound Effect, one of the best, one of the best books that's been written.

851
00:53:59,059 --> 00:54:01,846
And it's all over Legendary and give credit.

852
00:54:01,846 --> 00:54:04,812
Legendary gives credit to Darren all over there.

853
00:54:05,336 --> 00:54:06,228
Yeah.

854
00:54:09,506 --> 00:54:17,353
Why do we also, I'm touching on some stuff from the book and pulling some things out and
know, wafting up some easy little softballs to you here, but why do?

855
00:54:17,353 --> 00:54:17,983
It's so important.

856
00:54:17,983 --> 00:54:24,569
I think you dealt with so many important things in the book and the philosophy, even what
you have with Legendary Beyond the Book, but it's like, why do we have to do things

857
00:54:24,569 --> 00:54:25,240
differently?

858
00:54:25,240 --> 00:54:28,703
Because difference not fun, difference hard, we have to change.

859
00:54:28,703 --> 00:54:30,835
It's not popular to be different.

860
00:54:30,835 --> 00:54:32,166
You have to stand out from the crowd.

861
00:54:32,166 --> 00:54:33,937
But why do we have to do things differently?

862
00:54:33,937 --> 00:54:35,469
Because you believe that, you've stated it.

863
00:54:35,469 --> 00:54:36,209
It's a position.

864
00:54:36,209 --> 00:54:37,420
Why do we have to?

865
00:54:37,420 --> 00:54:38,811
You don't have to.

866
00:54:39,612 --> 00:54:40,993
You don't have to at all.

867
00:54:40,993 --> 00:54:42,163
No one's making it.

868
00:54:42,163 --> 00:54:46,457
We still, in my opinion, I've traveled the planet now living one of the greatest.

869
00:54:46,457 --> 00:54:48,408
We got our demons, we got our warts and scars.

870
00:54:48,408 --> 00:54:51,980
We live in one of the greatest places that there is.

871
00:54:52,041 --> 00:54:58,645
So what we have, all of us in this country, some countries don't have it, is the power of
a choice.

872
00:54:59,286 --> 00:55:04,854
And if you look in the mirror and you don't look what it's like, you don't have to do
anything.

873
00:55:04,854 --> 00:55:14,971
You can, the easy thing is to continue vegging out, having that six beer, watching Netflix
for 44 hours, you know, going to that same job you don't like and not looking at

874
00:55:14,971 --> 00:55:22,518
it right so maybe that's we're not gonna judge it if that's a choice people make you do
you there you go but you're making an argument you want different you're

875
00:55:22,518 --> 00:55:23,639
you go.

876
00:55:23,639 --> 00:55:24,079
Yeah.

877
00:55:24,079 --> 00:55:26,201
And I think you get to do it.

878
00:55:26,282 --> 00:55:35,269
And I think a lot of us, and the whole point, and you said it so eloquently earlier, and I
can't remember how you said it, Mark, is I think guys like you and I, think the reason for

879
00:55:35,269 --> 00:55:42,675
your podcast is you want to serve people and to help them and give them some tools and
some thought leaders and your wisdom and knowledge and your pain to help them maybe do a

880
00:55:42,675 --> 00:55:45,938
little easier, little quicker, a little efficient without some of the hiccups.

881
00:55:46,532 --> 00:55:50,796
some pain, some pain, remove some of it because the depth of it is really hard.

882
00:55:50,796 --> 00:55:52,126
Yeah, agreed.

883
00:55:52,547 --> 00:55:59,431
just think, I don't know why people have forgotten to want how to want.

884
00:55:59,431 --> 00:56:02,786
I don't know why people forgotten how to dream.

885
00:56:02,786 --> 00:56:09,126
I don't know why people can't say why not me, but I think it's hard for a lot of us.

886
00:56:09,126 --> 00:56:15,669
Uh, and I'll speak like us when in, I'm, let me, let me be clear.

887
00:56:15,669 --> 00:56:16,400
got it.

888
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:19,041
I'm just going to keep it.

889
00:56:19,041 --> 00:56:20,702
I'm allergic.

890
00:56:20,972 --> 00:56:24,603
to victimhood, apathy, entitlement, and laziness.

891
00:56:24,603 --> 00:56:26,223
I'm allergic to it.

892
00:56:26,284 --> 00:56:32,875
However, our mass media in bulk promotes entitlement and victimhood.

893
00:56:32,875 --> 00:56:42,858
And if you told you deserve or you're owed something or someone's trying to take something
from you and give it to them and you're owed, like we got you.

894
00:56:42,858 --> 00:56:48,960
Think mass politics, think mass media, think at certain levels, mass religion.

895
00:56:49,250 --> 00:56:50,060
You start belief.

896
00:56:50,060 --> 00:56:51,841
That's all you read here and say.

897
00:56:51,841 --> 00:56:58,334
And if you're vegging out on that TV and looking at your computer and your phone, that's
all you're going to know because it is rewiring your brain.

898
00:56:58,334 --> 00:57:02,436
so I think people are forgotten to say, why not me?

899
00:57:02,436 --> 00:57:03,816
I think people are forgotten.

900
00:57:03,816 --> 00:57:05,157
can dream.

901
00:57:05,197 --> 00:57:07,518
think people get stuck in their day-to-day ruts.

902
00:57:07,518 --> 00:57:14,921
think we are, you have been, every guest has said this, you you're a few, you show me your
habits and the five people you hang out with and I'll tell you your future.

903
00:57:14,921 --> 00:57:16,301
It's true, man.

904
00:57:16,422 --> 00:57:17,292
And so.

905
00:57:17,292 --> 00:57:23,346
What people have to do is say, you don't have to do damn thing.

906
00:57:23,347 --> 00:57:25,268
You get to do something.

907
00:57:25,469 --> 00:57:27,370
And I think it gets overwhelming to people.

908
00:57:27,370 --> 00:57:28,001
I'm not happy.

909
00:57:28,001 --> 00:57:28,626
I'm not successful.

910
00:57:28,626 --> 00:57:29,162
I'm not this.

911
00:57:29,162 --> 00:57:30,313
We'll start one thing.

912
00:57:30,313 --> 00:57:35,216
mean, to quote Darren, it's a compounding effect, just like interest, right?

913
00:57:35,317 --> 00:57:42,142
And so when you say, the problem is it usually has to get so bad that you just say no
more.

914
00:57:42,442 --> 00:57:46,725
Or some people's threshold is pretty, they...

915
00:57:46,990 --> 00:57:49,430
They don't know even where to start.

916
00:57:49,430 --> 00:57:55,870
Um, but I think also on some level people, and I was one of them, they felt alone.

917
00:57:56,150 --> 00:57:58,770
Uh, they were scared to ask for help.

918
00:57:58,770 --> 00:58:03,090
They think it's the weakest thing to do when it's actually probably the most courageous
thing you can do.

919
00:58:03,090 --> 00:58:10,830
Um, but what, when people start this work, it doesn't matter if it's professional
development, personal development, leadership, building a company saying, I want to do

920
00:58:10,830 --> 00:58:14,790
something different or Hey man, I don't know why I feel this way.

921
00:58:14,906 --> 00:58:16,547
Let me go talk to this therapist.

922
00:58:16,547 --> 00:58:18,628
Maybe I can get some clarity there too.

923
00:58:18,628 --> 00:58:25,392
I think once you do that, the whole world opens up to you and you realize, hey man, whole
world is just as messed up as I am.

924
00:58:25,392 --> 00:58:27,413
I'm not alone in this journey.

925
00:58:27,754 --> 00:58:29,815
I'm not the only one fighting this fight.

926
00:58:29,815 --> 00:58:31,135
They've gotten through it.

927
00:58:31,135 --> 00:58:34,257
That's why I think these heroes journeys are so relatable.

928
00:58:34,277 --> 00:58:42,926
It's just, you know, getting people out of the day to day mundane monster wheel, the wheel
and the negative information that's being consumed.

929
00:58:42,926 --> 00:58:46,166
turning that off and looking in the mirror and say, man, enough is enough.

930
00:58:46,166 --> 00:58:47,066
Why not me?

931
00:58:47,066 --> 00:58:48,186
I'm going to learn to want again.

932
00:58:48,186 --> 00:58:49,366
It's okay to want to want.

933
00:58:49,366 --> 00:58:53,106
I'm going to learn to dream again and go do something about it, man.

934
00:58:53,106 --> 00:58:56,544
But they don't have to, they get to, and it's a choice.

935
00:58:56,544 --> 00:59:07,156
Have you found a way to have people try to understand that when you're on stage for eight
hours, us listening to you, but when you're,

936
00:59:07,402 --> 00:59:08,625
like the keynoting,

937
00:59:10,072 --> 00:59:20,981
But when you're on stage putting together one of your live retreats or on stage and
keynoting and you're working with big corporations in that moment, have you found a way?

938
00:59:22,744 --> 00:59:35,499
to try to have people understand that this Tommy wasn't where Tommy started and they can
travel the same path too because who you are on stage seems so far distant and so far

939
00:59:35,499 --> 00:59:37,452
away, they can't comprehend how to get there.

940
00:59:37,452 --> 00:59:43,358
that's one that you have, found a way to try to do that to say, Hey, listen, my journey
started probably behind where you are now.

941
00:59:44,502 --> 00:59:45,042
Yes.

942
00:59:45,042 --> 00:59:49,834
And I think all of us give what I, especially in keynotes, it's easier.

943
00:59:49,834 --> 00:59:53,866
And in my own events, it's easier because we go so vulnerable, so authentic.

944
00:59:53,866 --> 00:59:56,467
And my co-facilitators do the same.

945
00:59:56,467 --> 00:59:58,988
What we do when you get real, real quick.

946
00:59:58,988 --> 01:00:07,092
And I remember probably my, we talked about my tragedy is because it was unrelatable to
multiple different avenues of the business.

947
01:00:07,092 --> 01:00:08,623
know, either you loved it or you hated it.

948
01:00:08,623 --> 01:00:09,833
That's on Tommy Breedlove.

949
01:00:09,833 --> 01:00:10,854
That is not the audience.

950
01:00:10,854 --> 01:00:11,918
That's me.

951
01:00:12,150 --> 01:00:14,691
I didn't design it to be relatable to everybody in tech.

952
01:00:14,691 --> 01:00:20,074
And you know, they wanted me to cover all these different things that we will do much
better next time, honestly.

953
01:00:20,193 --> 01:00:28,218
And so, but on a keynote or in your own events and in your own businesses, I like to say
we give people the gift of going second.

954
01:00:28,498 --> 01:00:36,212
And I think if you can tell no matter what your story is, and we all have a story, we've
all had hiccups, we've all had tragedies, we've all overcome something.

955
01:00:36,492 --> 01:00:44,325
The quicker, and there's five or six ways to do it, but the quicker you can give people
the gift of going second, the quicker you can get to the crux of your problem, the crux of

956
01:00:44,325 --> 01:00:48,606
your issue, what was challenging you, what you were overcoming.

957
01:00:49,206 --> 01:00:57,179
With your story, people are going to relate to it in some way or another, or they're going
to apply it into their own lives because you're getting real, you're getting authentic,

958
01:00:57,179 --> 01:00:59,375
you're getting vulnerable, and you're getting to the point.

959
01:00:59,375 --> 01:01:01,570
And I remember one of the most successful.

960
01:01:02,102 --> 01:01:08,047
And it was probably one of our biggest one-evers was a huge group of entrepreneurs up in
Iowa.

961
01:01:08,548 --> 01:01:11,090
And I was like, I got to be honest with you.

962
01:01:11,090 --> 01:01:14,312
I'm going to, I got a confession to make and this is how started it.

963
01:01:14,373 --> 01:01:20,168
I'm not, I'm not doing what I'm about to tell you that I did for so many years.

964
01:01:20,168 --> 01:01:22,700
And here's what's happening in my life right now.

965
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:24,642
You know, I was alone.

966
01:01:24,642 --> 01:01:26,343
My marriage got on the rocks again.

967
01:01:26,343 --> 01:01:28,675
Like, you know, here we are, you're seeing me on stage.

968
01:01:28,675 --> 01:01:29,678
You guys are paying me.

969
01:01:29,678 --> 01:01:33,378
Man, and I tell you, I had a big audience.

970
01:01:33,378 --> 01:01:40,318
I think our rating was like a 4.85 because I was like, here's what I'm dealing with now
and here's why.

971
01:01:40,458 --> 01:01:42,898
And I gave them three things I'm really struggling with.

972
01:01:42,898 --> 01:01:47,038
they were like, oh, as a human being, you're going to relate to one of those three.

973
01:01:48,118 --> 01:01:52,138
And I was like, here's my origin story for that young man.

974
01:01:52,278 --> 01:01:55,418
Here's what I was doing to not have these issues.

975
01:01:55,418 --> 01:01:58,232
And here, by the way, is what I'm doing now.

976
01:01:58,232 --> 01:02:02,804
You know, drank my own Kool-Aid, forgot my roots here, my course.

977
01:02:02,904 --> 01:02:06,085
And now I'm chasing this and here's what I'm going to do it now.

978
01:02:06,085 --> 01:02:07,346
And here's my three takeaways.

979
01:02:07,346 --> 01:02:11,568
And here's what I hope, from the, had them.

980
01:02:11,568 --> 01:02:17,970
And the whole point is not to have them is it was just honest and it was tactical.

981
01:02:17,970 --> 01:02:22,552
Like, and they also said, Hey man, there is two or three things I can go do now.

982
01:02:23,113 --> 01:02:26,914
And I just own that I'm not doing these and I've done that at retreat.

983
01:02:27,318 --> 01:02:28,558
And it's not lost to me.

984
01:02:28,558 --> 01:02:37,461
You know, we have our leadership and success retreats then we have our, get clear as human
beings and get better in those clear and get better.

985
01:02:37,461 --> 01:02:38,670
There's a relationship section.

986
01:02:38,670 --> 01:02:45,764
I was like, by the way, three quarters of things I'm telling you right now, I need to go
do better in my own right.

987
01:02:47,385 --> 01:02:51,706
So what I love about what you and I do, Mark, is we get to talk in the mirror all day.

988
01:02:52,492 --> 01:02:52,872
all day.

989
01:02:52,872 --> 01:02:57,827
hey since you brought it up twice, tell me if it's out of bounds here but you brought up
your wife.

990
01:02:57,827 --> 01:03:01,326
It seems like it's been a long marriage with a couple rocky moments.

991
01:03:01,326 --> 01:03:02,235
28 years.

992
01:03:04,908 --> 01:03:06,153
Why'd she stay?

993
01:03:06,722 --> 01:03:08,583
That's a question for her.

994
01:03:08,603 --> 01:03:10,565
I'll paraphrase.

995
01:03:10,645 --> 01:03:12,047
I'll tell you what she told me.

996
01:03:12,047 --> 01:03:16,281
um This is a true story.

997
01:03:16,281 --> 01:03:19,437
The second time I met her, she said, I'm going to marry you.

998
01:03:19,437 --> 01:03:22,799
And this was at university of Georgia and I was not in a spot to hear that.

999
01:03:22,799 --> 01:03:26,260
And I was like, who is this witchcraft psycho woman talking to me here?

1000
01:03:26,260 --> 01:03:28,002
Here we are 28 years later.

1001
01:03:28,002 --> 01:03:29,222
um

1002
01:03:30,806 --> 01:03:37,669
I think she took accountability for our relationship and there's no relationship that has
a hundred percent problem and zero percent problem.

1003
01:03:38,229 --> 01:03:41,551
I think we did the work together when I started doing the work.

1004
01:03:41,551 --> 01:03:43,382
Now she watched me for about a year.

1005
01:03:43,382 --> 01:03:47,313
Is this just all hearsay BS is he just lip service?

1006
01:03:47,313 --> 01:03:49,674
But she saw me leaning into the therapist.

1007
01:03:49,674 --> 01:03:53,116
She saw me leaning into the life coaches and the business coaches.

1008
01:03:53,116 --> 01:03:54,837
She saw the tangible results.

1009
01:03:54,837 --> 01:03:58,058
She saw what the habits I was removing out of my life.

1010
01:03:58,318 --> 01:04:01,478
She owned her part in our co-dependent dance.

1011
01:04:01,598 --> 01:04:03,698
She started doing the work.

1012
01:04:04,038 --> 01:04:06,437
She said, I always saw all the good side.

1013
01:04:06,437 --> 01:04:09,358
Now I was really hard on myself during that time too.

1014
01:04:09,358 --> 01:04:12,618
I was taking extreme ownership and I had probably too much.

1015
01:04:12,718 --> 01:04:13,918
And she took her part.

1016
01:04:13,918 --> 01:04:14,818
took my part.

1017
01:04:14,818 --> 01:04:19,758
She started doing the same work into this day, ups and downs, ups and downs.

1018
01:04:19,758 --> 01:04:26,698
Now we're six steps back, six forward, four back, eight forward, two back, not 19 back,
one forward.

1019
01:04:26,698 --> 01:04:28,134
And so.

1020
01:04:28,290 --> 01:04:31,512
We really embrace this work.

1021
01:04:31,512 --> 01:04:33,844
We embrace couples therapy.

1022
01:04:33,844 --> 01:04:36,643
We embrace the stuff that we preach.

1023
01:04:36,643 --> 01:04:38,747
We're honest about what we're working on.

1024
01:04:38,747 --> 01:04:46,102
And, you know, we own two businesses that are growing and, you know, it's where we're
challenged right now.

1025
01:04:46,102 --> 01:04:49,444
Anyway, she loved me when I couldn't love me.

1026
01:04:49,444 --> 01:04:50,765
She did the work.

1027
01:04:50,765 --> 01:04:52,506
She owned her part.

1028
01:04:52,506 --> 01:04:57,974
We even had a conversation today about we got to get back together, not on the
relationship.

1029
01:04:57,974 --> 01:05:01,035
side, but the business side, let's get more in sync.

1030
01:05:01,375 --> 01:05:03,476
We had that today, we're going to do it on Sunday.

1031
01:05:03,476 --> 01:05:08,777
Constantly checking in, constantly having air grievances and the gratitudes and all the
things that we preach.

1032
01:05:08,777 --> 01:05:10,698
Like let's get it back on ship.

1033
01:05:10,698 --> 01:05:17,809
But I think doing it together is, but the reason she said is she said she always saw the
positive in me in this struggle.

1034
01:05:17,809 --> 01:05:21,367
And she never really understood why I carried the burden that I get.

1035
01:05:21,367 --> 01:05:24,661
Cause she comes from the wet picket fences and you can do anything.

1036
01:05:24,701 --> 01:05:27,086
I came from the, you're not going to be in it.

1037
01:05:27,086 --> 01:05:29,452
what you were getting into 28 years ago.

1038
01:05:29,452 --> 01:05:30,343
Yeah.

1039
01:05:30,885 --> 01:05:35,295
I think it's a combination of all of that and friendships are hard.

1040
01:05:35,295 --> 01:05:36,837
Intimate relationships are hard.

1041
01:05:36,837 --> 01:05:38,958
Colleagues, humans are hard, man.

1042
01:05:38,958 --> 01:05:39,641
Life's hard, man.

1043
01:05:39,641 --> 01:05:42,754
Life's hard as we're trying to go through this journey and figure it out little more every
day.

1044
01:05:42,754 --> 01:05:49,459
Yeah, but I think if I had to summarize it without having her answer the question, that's
the way I remember.

1045
01:05:49,459 --> 01:05:49,990
Yeah.

1046
01:05:49,990 --> 01:05:50,970
She had shared that with you.

1047
01:05:50,970 --> 01:05:51,440
figured some.

1048
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:52,901
Yeah.

1049
01:05:52,901 --> 01:06:00,636
The, did you know that you were living also some of Jim Rohn's advice, his best advice
about how people were able to, he said, Hey, listen, let's make a deal.

1050
01:06:00,636 --> 01:06:02,146
You've probably heard this one.

1051
01:06:02,146 --> 01:06:08,970
He said, how about you take care of you for me and I take care of me for you.

1052
01:06:09,292 --> 01:06:10,123
that.

1053
01:06:10,305 --> 01:06:11,306
Love it.

1054
01:06:11,950 --> 01:06:13,873
Prioritize the self man.

1055
01:06:14,727 --> 01:06:15,888
So

1056
01:06:19,510 --> 01:06:20,831
If we can have it all.

1057
01:06:26,284 --> 01:06:34,071
The people that you are around consistently now at this high level, whether somebody's
already there, elite and legendary, or they're working through the process of trying to

1058
01:06:34,071 --> 01:06:35,416
achieve and become that.

1059
01:06:35,416 --> 01:06:37,638
We also have some people really struggling.

1060
01:06:38,286 --> 01:06:40,904
But I think that's the one trying to become that.

1061
01:06:40,904 --> 01:06:41,225
the dream.

1062
01:06:41,225 --> 01:06:42,880
I don't believe that can be for me.

1063
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:43,799
um

1064
01:06:43,799 --> 01:06:44,412
it.

1065
01:06:46,742 --> 01:06:57,145
What's having it all look like consistently that you think a lot of these people that are
in this really good process and they're like, man, you know, I really can't have it all.

1066
01:06:57,145 --> 01:06:58,387
What does that statement mean?

1067
01:06:58,387 --> 01:06:59,828
Have it, have it all.

1068
01:07:00,026 --> 01:07:02,427
I think it would start with peace of mind.

1069
01:07:03,726 --> 01:07:05,289
I really do.

1070
01:07:05,466 --> 01:07:14,355
I think if I had to summarize my life, it would be the constant running from insecurity
and fear and rage to peace.

1071
01:07:14,916 --> 01:07:24,908
And I think when you have peace of mind, which is some people would call that
enlightenment, heaven, nirvana, pure...

1072
01:07:24,908 --> 01:07:31,761
I think if you look at an Eckhart Tolle or an Oprah, they're pretty darn close to some
mega piece of mind.

1073
01:07:31,901 --> 01:07:33,842
I think it's a sense of freedom.

1074
01:07:33,878 --> 01:07:38,024
I think it's a sense of every day of present moment gratitude.

1075
01:07:38,198 --> 01:07:45,428
I think you're still going to have your fears and insecurities and life happens and
sickness and humans doing human things and you doing human things.

1076
01:07:45,428 --> 01:07:51,020
But I think that clarity of peace of mind, I think a sense of freedom, I think...

1077
01:07:51,020 --> 01:07:55,734
a sense of no matter what happens, I've got this or somebody will help me have this.

1078
01:07:55,974 --> 01:08:08,225
I think that really is having it all um in knowing that if everything in the world was
taken away from you, that you'd either choose to rebuild it again or you choose something

1079
01:08:08,225 --> 01:08:14,240
differently, but knowing you're going to be okay either way, I think that to me is where
people aspire to be.

1080
01:08:15,884 --> 01:08:16,924
You say it well, man.

1081
01:08:16,924 --> 01:08:20,067
think, um, it hits with me recently.

1082
01:08:20,067 --> 01:08:27,163
Cause when I tell so many people for, there's these dramatic moments that you're trying to
coach people through and you're trying to get them to understand what leadership means and

1083
01:08:27,163 --> 01:08:28,644
how you can influence other people.

1084
01:08:28,644 --> 01:08:30,766
like, guys, all really searching for your piece.

1085
01:08:30,766 --> 01:08:31,847
I'm telling you.

1086
01:08:32,554 --> 01:08:33,588
It's all we're searching for.

1087
01:08:33,588 --> 01:08:37,922
And the closer that I get to that, the more balanced I feel in life.

1088
01:08:37,922 --> 01:08:40,782
don't really have a balanced life, but the more balanced I feel.

1089
01:08:40,782 --> 01:08:47,622
Because I think you can have massive action doing anything and you don't necessarily have
what people call balance, but you feel balanced.

1090
01:08:47,802 --> 01:08:49,102
I've got this thing handled, man.

1091
01:08:49,102 --> 01:08:50,322
It's all weighted out.

1092
01:08:50,322 --> 01:08:50,942
Okay.

1093
01:08:51,562 --> 01:08:52,322
Yeah, sure.

1094
01:08:52,322 --> 01:08:53,922
I'm, I'm, I'm into that.

1095
01:08:53,922 --> 01:08:57,462
Um, what are you guys doing right now that you're trying to grow?

1096
01:08:57,462 --> 01:09:00,042
Um, you're going to sit down with your inspirational wife.

1097
01:09:00,042 --> 01:09:01,922
As you quoted her, found somewhere.

1098
01:09:02,622 --> 01:09:04,922
Um, I want to hear about these two dogs.

1099
01:09:04,922 --> 01:09:05,622
You're a dog.

1100
01:09:05,622 --> 01:09:08,082
You're guy that a dog that has two names.

1101
01:09:08,082 --> 01:09:09,334
What in the hell?

1102
01:09:09,334 --> 01:09:16,688
You said something earlier and I was like, man, he sounds like he's riffing on a back
Georgia road country song.

1103
01:09:16,688 --> 01:09:23,201
You went on that for about 10 seconds and you named a dog Hodges Piper.

1104
01:09:23,922 --> 01:09:28,054
I'm like, what the hell is this guy that I'm about to talk to?

1105
01:09:28,054 --> 01:09:29,725
What does he have going on?

1106
01:09:29,890 --> 01:09:30,220
Yeah.

1107
01:09:30,220 --> 01:09:31,871
So I'll give you the Hodges Piper story.

1108
01:09:31,871 --> 01:09:36,334
Since that, that bio has been written, have a third dog named Sammy.

1109
01:09:36,334 --> 01:09:39,887
He's a, so Hodges Piper comes from the ditch and Sammy comes from the ditch.

1110
01:09:39,887 --> 01:09:46,121
We like to say in my family that two of the dogs come from the ditch like me and the
others bougie like my wife, Heather.

1111
01:09:46,201 --> 01:09:51,515
Hodges Piper, were, were speaking of a country road, uh going to Macon, Georgia.

1112
01:09:51,515 --> 01:09:55,808
Not many people will know where that is to a country song, country concert.

1113
01:09:55,808 --> 01:09:59,980
We're on this back country road called Hodges Farm Road.

1114
01:10:00,536 --> 01:10:06,748
We're driving by a drain pipe and I see this little black head and I'm like, did you see
that?

1115
01:10:06,748 --> 01:10:08,528
And Heather goes, what are you talking about?

1116
01:10:08,528 --> 01:10:11,089
The puppy and the drain pipe on a country road?

1117
01:10:11,089 --> 01:10:12,709
She goes, yeah, I saw that.

1118
01:10:12,950 --> 01:10:18,521
So of course I stop and I go to this little pipe and this little dog, he must weigh three
pounds.

1119
01:10:18,521 --> 01:10:22,412
And he's just giving me the business thinking he's like, he's going to chew my arm off.

1120
01:10:22,412 --> 01:10:23,753
I'm like, my goodness.

1121
01:10:23,753 --> 01:10:29,324
So I get back in the car, Heather goes out and tries to get him out of the pipe to come to
us.

1122
01:10:29,514 --> 01:10:30,995
And she, just runs right up to it.

1123
01:10:30,995 --> 01:10:40,050
So clearly a guy had done something to him in some way, but we reached out to all our
friends were like, do we name him Hodges after Hodges farm road, or do we name him Piper

1124
01:10:40,050 --> 01:10:40,610
after living?

1125
01:10:40,610 --> 01:10:44,102
He was living in a pipe and they came up with Hodges Piper.

1126
01:10:44,102 --> 01:10:45,993
And so we came up with Hodges Piper.

1127
01:10:45,993 --> 01:10:49,645
So that guy came from Hodges farm road, living in a pipe.

1128
01:10:49,645 --> 01:10:58,766
And now he is 11 years old and he is as you, my friends, family, significant other wife,
and uh Erica would say he's my soul animal.

1129
01:10:58,766 --> 01:11:00,242
Apparently when I'm grumpy, he's grumpy.

1130
01:11:00,242 --> 01:11:03,262
Apparently when I'm happy, he's happy.

1131
01:11:05,006 --> 01:11:08,544
um So what country music were you going to listen to?

1132
01:11:08,844 --> 01:11:10,552
Guy named Sturgill Simpson.

1133
01:11:10,552 --> 01:11:13,545
Dude, I was about to say, don't tell me this was Sturgill Simpson.

1134
01:11:14,467 --> 01:11:16,569
I'm serious.

1135
01:11:16,569 --> 01:11:18,151
I'm doing better, not interrupting.

1136
01:11:18,151 --> 01:11:21,250
I was about to say, that sounds like a Sturgill Simpson moment.

1137
01:11:21,250 --> 01:11:21,911
Yep.

1138
01:11:21,911 --> 01:11:22,241
Yep.

1139
01:11:22,241 --> 01:11:22,951
For sure.

1140
01:11:22,951 --> 01:11:24,653
And let me tell you, it was at Macon.

1141
01:11:24,653 --> 01:11:29,150
Now the guy's probably selling out stadiums now, but it was in Macon, Georgia.

1142
01:11:30,190 --> 01:11:32,198
was probably 250 people there.

1143
01:11:32,972 --> 01:11:34,030
Back in the day.

1144
01:11:34,030 --> 01:11:34,730
Back in the day.

1145
01:11:34,730 --> 01:11:37,750
Well, it was exactly almost 11 years ago.

1146
01:11:38,370 --> 01:11:40,030
think think Hodges is getting ready to be 11.

1147
01:11:40,030 --> 01:11:41,390
think it was 11 years ago.

1148
01:11:41,390 --> 01:11:42,250
So, yeah.

1149
01:11:42,250 --> 01:11:50,390
Uh, about that approximate, timeframe, but yeah, he was a nobody and he's going to visit
my, my brother-in-law and his future ex-wife.

1150
01:11:50,390 --> 01:11:51,136
Awesome.

1151
01:11:51,136 --> 01:11:51,966
sounds like Sturgill.

1152
01:11:51,966 --> 01:11:53,708
It was like he was living his songs, man.

1153
01:11:53,708 --> 01:11:58,671
I'm on a Sturgill Spotify, Sturgill Simpson music Spotify journey right now.

1154
01:11:58,671 --> 01:11:59,852
So, yeah.

1155
01:12:00,153 --> 01:12:01,854
So what are you guys, what are you trying to do?

1156
01:12:01,854 --> 01:12:07,538
What are you refocusing on your business um with everything you've learned and garnered
and the successes and the life you've lived here at 51?

1157
01:12:07,538 --> 01:12:10,599
You still have a full season to go.

1158
01:12:10,920 --> 01:12:11,360
For sure.

1159
01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:11,701
Right.

1160
01:12:11,701 --> 01:12:17,204
So you have a whole quarter of this thing still to go and to probably be productive and
grind.

1161
01:12:17,605 --> 01:12:18,506
What are you dreaming of?

1162
01:12:18,506 --> 01:12:19,616
What do want to do?

1163
01:12:20,204 --> 01:12:29,381
What we're dreaming of is for this business is I'd love to get, there's three or four key
people.

1164
01:12:29,394 --> 01:12:32,179
So we've got this boutique hotel, restaurant and lodge.

1165
01:12:32,179 --> 01:12:42,072
There's three or four, there's two people there in particular, and there's two or three
people on the legendary side is let's get them into a position of facilitation, a

1166
01:12:42,072 --> 01:12:44,534
leadership, an operational.

1167
01:12:44,674 --> 01:12:52,636
Let's develop the next level of leaders while continuing to grow our membership, while
continuing to grow our exposure, our impact.

1168
01:12:52,676 --> 01:12:55,275
I'd love to have a couple of more of those boutique lodges.

1169
01:12:55,275 --> 01:12:58,198
It's very niche what we're doing up here in the North Georgia mountains.

1170
01:12:58,198 --> 01:13:01,239
Very elevated for this part of the world, for lack of a better word.

1171
01:13:01,419 --> 01:13:02,469
I love living here.

1172
01:13:02,469 --> 01:13:05,520
So I'm in a small town in North Georgia, but I love living here.

1173
01:13:06,300 --> 01:13:11,052
My ultimate goal was from an economic standpoint, a profitability standpoint.

1174
01:13:11,052 --> 01:13:12,512
This is getting a little technical.

1175
01:13:12,512 --> 01:13:18,737
I would love to one day do an ESOP or ESOP to where the next generation takes it.

1176
01:13:18,737 --> 01:13:22,319
Of course, that has benefit to us, significant benefit to them.

1177
01:13:22,319 --> 01:13:24,290
then they take it.

1178
01:13:24,591 --> 01:13:30,085
We have done a nice job over the past three to five years of it's no longer a Tommy
Breedlove thing.

1179
01:13:30,085 --> 01:13:39,938
And that's an, you got to look at your ego there too, and make the men and women, the
members, the team, the powers and the wisdom of the community.

1180
01:13:39,938 --> 01:13:45,283
the masterminds and the team and then their ecosystems and not in the Tommy Breedlove
show.

1181
01:13:45,283 --> 01:13:53,650
So really continue and develop the company of legendary, the company of the mountaintop
lodge and bring those, leadership team up.

1182
01:13:53,650 --> 01:13:55,772
And then one day say, Hey y'all.

1183
01:13:55,912 --> 01:14:02,548
Cause I'd like to always have a part in it, but I'd like to also, I don't know why I
started building companies in my forties.

1184
01:14:02,548 --> 01:14:04,180
I don't know why I did that.

1185
01:14:04,180 --> 01:14:06,946
Um, but I did, but one day

1186
01:14:06,946 --> 01:14:10,478
really turn it over to them and watch their dreams and just be of counsel.

1187
01:14:10,478 --> 01:14:12,690
So that's really where we want to go.

1188
01:14:12,746 --> 01:14:25,139
If you want me to get granular is I would love to do more keynoting, less corporate
workshops and consulting on the leadership and culture side and more just building the

1189
01:14:25,139 --> 01:14:25,999
membership base.

1190
01:14:25,999 --> 01:14:34,585
Because when we're dealing with the leaders or the aspiring leaders or the entrepreneurs
or aspiring entrepreneurs or the executives are aspiring, they are touching hundreds of

1191
01:14:34,585 --> 01:14:35,516
thousands of lives.

1192
01:14:35,516 --> 01:14:36,248
Whereas

1193
01:14:36,248 --> 01:14:38,820
We're only doing the one corporation and it's not scalable.

1194
01:14:38,820 --> 01:14:48,685
Focusing on our members and growing the membership because then we're talking massive
impact because you touch them and they have an aha, business success, leadership life.

1195
01:14:48,685 --> 01:14:50,697
And then they go have that aha with all their people.

1196
01:14:50,697 --> 01:15:00,032
That I think from an impact standpoint is my dream, but I also want our people's dream,
our dream to live under our people's dream here.

1197
01:15:00,032 --> 01:15:01,413
Again, we're a small but mighty company.

1198
01:15:01,413 --> 01:15:03,734
that's where I envision us.

1199
01:15:04,238 --> 01:15:11,036
That's awesome, I guess we go out here and buy the book to jump into the legendary
movement.

1200
01:15:11,916 --> 01:15:13,107
I'd love that, man.

1201
01:15:13,107 --> 01:15:14,378
I love that we call it a movement.

1202
01:15:14,378 --> 01:15:20,363
It's called legendary, but if you're not a reader and my country accent doesn't bother
you, I'll read it to you on Audible.

1203
01:15:20,363 --> 01:15:22,755
So yeah, please go out and check out the book.

1204
01:15:22,755 --> 01:15:29,580
You know, come hang out with us at one of our live events, you know, come, come play with
us, come shake our hands, come let us hug your neck.

1205
01:15:29,601 --> 01:15:31,772
Come join one of our two mastermind programs.

1206
01:15:31,772 --> 01:15:32,643
We'd love to have you, man.

1207
01:15:32,643 --> 01:15:40,400
If you, if you want to hang out with cool people, doing cool things and cool places where
you're always learning, growing, and that's, that's what we do and who we are, man.

1208
01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:41,112
And so.

1209
01:15:41,112 --> 01:15:44,209
We're not for everybody, we like our flavor.

1210
01:15:44,631 --> 01:15:47,668
But yeah, certainly go check out Legendary or I'll read it to you.

1211
01:15:48,098 --> 01:15:48,579
You're man.

1212
01:15:48,579 --> 01:15:49,641
Hey, thanks for the time, man.

1213
01:15:49,641 --> 01:15:57,494
I think you brightened up my day in the midst of my very long work days of, when I get to
talk to somebody with energy, you asked purpose like you, man, just with a, with a good

1214
01:15:57,494 --> 01:15:59,016
juju learned a lot.

1215
01:15:59,016 --> 01:16:00,808
Um, it makes my day.

1216
01:16:00,808 --> 01:16:02,521
It makes me smile a little bit more.

1217
01:16:02,776 --> 01:16:03,627
Same here, brother.

1218
01:16:03,627 --> 01:16:05,169
You're just fantastic.

1219
01:16:05,169 --> 01:16:06,782
Loved our conversation offline.

1220
01:16:06,782 --> 01:16:08,394
Loved that you met Erica.

1221
01:16:08,394 --> 01:16:10,477
Loved that you teased my great hair.

1222
01:16:10,477 --> 01:16:11,779
Mark, what an honor, brother.

1223
01:16:11,779 --> 01:16:15,244
Keep inspiring daily and I'd love to talk a little offline.

1224
01:16:15,244 --> 01:16:16,896
I'd love to send you something nice.

1225
01:16:16,942 --> 01:16:17,962
send me something nice.

1226
01:16:17,962 --> 01:16:18,282
Mr.

1227
01:16:18,282 --> 01:16:19,522
Dave knows how to get it to us, man.

1228
01:16:19,522 --> 01:16:27,142
Here, we're building something here but uh we're I think I'm just getting better, man,
because the people that uh the people that I have an opportunity to be around.

1229
01:16:27,142 --> 01:16:27,862
just get to sit.

1230
01:16:27,862 --> 01:16:31,682
I just get to sit here and learn this stuff and level up all the time and uh I'm pumped
about it.

1231
01:16:31,682 --> 01:16:33,442
So, offline, let's do let's do some stuff.

1232
01:16:33,442 --> 01:16:34,602
You're a tall guy though, man.

1233
01:16:34,602 --> 01:16:37,702
I'm a little short guy at five, nine, or five, ten compared to you.

1234
01:16:37,702 --> 01:16:38,922
I can tell you guys.

1235
01:16:39,142 --> 01:16:40,322
Yeah, that's a bunch of crap, man.

1236
01:16:40,322 --> 01:16:44,262
The world, the world was built to be dominated by Tommy Breed

1237
01:16:45,750 --> 01:16:49,045
And I was born with the name Breedlove, it's not something I gave myself.

1238
01:16:49,320 --> 01:16:50,461
don't believe it.

1239
01:16:50,461 --> 01:16:51,732
don't believe it.

1240
01:16:52,132 --> 01:16:55,682
maybe we maybe we could yeah enjoy some time over some Sturgiwell music or something.

1241
01:16:55,682 --> 01:16:56,356
I appreciate you man.

1242
01:16:56,356 --> 01:17:02,100
Thanks for coming and impacting us and you guys go out and uh go get you a little more
legendary from Tommy.

1243
01:17:02,200 --> 01:17:03,186
Thank you, brother.